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the one the only Greg Bishop accept no

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that bunch of things to talk about on

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this episode and I wanted to dive right

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in because I got a book I probably Chris

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got one too I don't know about you Greg

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got a copy of a book from I guess a

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decent-sized publisher called new page

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books they've published books from Kevin

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Randle and others and I was thinking

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here it's not 2017 maybe this book came

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out a few years ago and they just

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republished it and then I looked at the

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subtitle the book is called cover up or

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Roswell exposing the 70 year conspiracy

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to suppress the truth from Donald R

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Schmidt now if it wasn't for the 70 year

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thing I would have thought this book

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would have come out a few years ago

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maybe he was holding it you know and

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a chance to read it I'm debating whether

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I should did you get a copy Chris nope

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he doesn't like you oh well Greg oh hell

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no no and I wouldn't read it anyway

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because I do have Mir either I'm having

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read Nick's book when it arrives yeah I

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read it I enjoyed it I had him on my

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now it's all here's something better

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Nick's explanation yeah yeah I do like

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it it has a ring to it of course Joseph

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he thinks that the Germans flew them up

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first and and you know the Defense

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no wonder the US government would be so

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freaked out think about it if all of a

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sudden these man-made saucers turned up

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and we had some knowledge in the

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intervening two years since the end of

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we had some knowledge of you know the

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the Nazi saucer experimentation hunter

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browse and the other craft and then have

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one actually possibly crash although the

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material doesn't quite you know fit the

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nuts and bolts UFO scenario most people

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were into Roswell always forget to

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mention that it's like you know what you

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a digression and I think Roswell to me

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is like what the Kennedy assassination

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because it's so wrapped up in belief

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systems and what people want to be and

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not not as an open mind as to what

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definitely on mine is that Roswell has

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kind of their Holy Grail or whatever and

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completely mundane where does that leave

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you follow gee it makes them look very

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bad so they don't want that

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that legend best with I don't know what

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happened and you know 1947 in Roswell

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have been some kind of secret project

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because that takes more boxes than the

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alien explanation to me I'm willing to

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be pulled back into the alien

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explanation but for right now it's just

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you know it's it's so like I said so

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wrapped up and believe

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I don't know if we'll ever have an

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answer on it well it seems to me as if

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Donald Schmitt was living an alternate

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reality instead of earth 38 he's in

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book in 2005 and this year and last year

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we had Roswell in the 21st century from

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of those two books those three books

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rather if he was totally aware of those

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three books he would not have written

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his or maybe he still would rather live

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in a bubble right well you know he knows

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what side the the old Roswell bakery has

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buttered the bread so you know he's

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going to go with it but there is no more

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bakery is there ensure there is the very

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topic has become such a powerful mean

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within the culture that you know the

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meme because it is so big and it's

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gobbled up so much you know underneath

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it kind of sub memes that it constantly

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has a need to be fed so you're going to

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have individuals electing themselves to

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feed the Roswell meme along you know

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with the obvious financial rewards that

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the town reaps from the Association I

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mean it's like a virus I've said this

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many times on the show the closer you

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get to Roswell when you're traveling

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there you start to see the alien gray

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face mean it really starts in earnest

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about a hundred miles out and by the

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time you get you know 50 miles away it's

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almost you know predominant any gas

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station any place that you stop and then

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that alien face meme just is all

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pervasive I mean it takes over and it's

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like a virus spreading out from Roswell

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in terms of cultural belief and so that

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that belief system is feeding this mean

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and so you have people like you know Tom

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lectures by you know any number of

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people they concluded that the keep that

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that ferment of novelty and change

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happening so that that that myth can

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keep tumbling down you know trudging

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she rode like a big sauropod yeah well I

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think what Nick's trying to do and Kevin

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actually who has disavowed any alien

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explanation for it in the last I know 10

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serious look at what this this this is

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and how we might be fooling ourselves

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and to keep an open mind I'm actually

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speaking at Roswell this years I'm not

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going to put down the town of Roswell

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what I'm talking about is the belief

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system that happens to have grown up

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around it and how that's you know a

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there is no way you're going to change

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it's like hiawatha trying to you know

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trying to trying to you know enact some

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sort of a portside turn it's just not

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going to happen it's such a behemoth

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that it doesn't matter whether Nick or

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in in its the mass is just so incredible

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that it's impossible to stir that meme

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it is the aliens have already been here

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in the government knows that is the

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linchpin to so many super memes in this

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whole subject area and you know I'm

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fascinated by by watching people like

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like Kevin and Mick and Joseph Ferrell

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come up with alternative ways to look at

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at the what little we actually really

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know and you know trying to come up with

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other explanations others spin other you

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know documentation and other theories

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and hypotheses to explain the event so

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hey I'm all for it I just loved surfing

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hear about Jacques Vallee it's a

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conflict in the desert I just heard a

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Greg have you heard anything uh how he

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well okay ladies and gentlemen let's

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frame this in the better way and let's

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start with the next segment where Greg

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Bishop will tell us what happened at

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conflict or chaos in the desert of

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like all of you out there i have

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i would flip flop all night long i would

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wake up with a sore neck maybe a

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headache or feel like i needed a nap

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even though i slept eight hours when i

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spend in bed it's about how much of that

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para cast calm so Greg Bishop you were

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at crazy people in the desert where

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surprisingly enough Jacque fillet gave a

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speech tell us more

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what did when did Walter give you his

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report let's see we did the show every

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day yet we did on my Friday we did a

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Friday afternoon that week

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okay yeah that was I guess I was the

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first thing I think was a Thursday and

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it went into Monday which is kind of

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weird I guess some people come out there

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and just spend the whole time sounds

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exhausting to me yeah well maybe it is I

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don't know but specially since it was

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all outside this year they actually got

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smart and they built a huge shade area

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over where this main stage is so the

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people that were continuous like

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presentations and speeches going on in

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this main stage yes they had that last

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year too what was it really but you're

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like it was totally bearable it was like

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in the probably in the low to mid 80s at

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the very most and last year was 104 to a

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high X yeah because they made somebody

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made the decision to have it on in like

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June or something it I don't I don't

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know what thinking went into that date

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started getting exactly around yeah

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around now it starts getting ridiculous

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so that they actually got it the last

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couple of weekends here before it gets

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really hot another weird thing about the

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where they had at the Institute of

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mental physics was begun by a man named

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ember his real name but it's like his

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real his spiritual name was Dingley my I

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don't know where he got that name but he

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used to have he had a set of he had he

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had a group called the the mental

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physics you know the the study of mental

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physics and I guess he was some sort of

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a heir to some fortune so he was able to

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do this and he had this place built he

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had Frank Lloyd Wright's son design all

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the buildings so they're really

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cool-looking I used to go out there and

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this in the 90s with my friends

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to just hang out there there was nobody

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there now it's you know got in this new

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life as the Joshua tree retreat center

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and even more I guess is the contact

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that a desert thing happens anyway I

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just went one day on Sunday because I

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had stuff to do the other days and I

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realized that valet which is that really

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the only reason the main reason I went

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out there I mean I saw Walter Ola

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Phillips a few other people that I

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hadn't seen in a while and uh what's his

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uh anyway I went out there on Sunday

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just in the morning I got there an hour

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before valets workshop talked where you

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have to pay extra so I paid the extra

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strangely enough none of the workshops

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were sold out all of them still I said

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you know which ones are sold out they

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said none so I was able to buy a ticket

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to his lecture you know basically 20

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minutes before it started the lecture

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was called UFO research for those who

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mean it there were probably 40 people

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there and which was about a third of the

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room that was looked like about a third

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of the chairs were filled halfway

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through the talk he said I think people

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are getting restless let's take a break

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I think about a third of the people left

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at that point oh boy now I have a fast

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question before we go on did you happen

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to catch how many people might have

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shown up at the other workshops I didn't

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go to any other workshops because I

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didn't care to see them so I don't know

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I have no idea one was sold out I think

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it was the what's a JJ hurtak or

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whatever about giant rock something like

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that they were doing it all they might

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have been visiting giant rock like

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taking a group out there or something

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I've been going to giant rocks since

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1989

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I think pieces of the come on in that

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the little the little place at Van

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Tassel built were still there like the

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floor was still there it's completely

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disappeared now all gone a no trace of

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it whatsoever

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apparently somebody told me they're

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trying somebody's trying to dig under

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the rock again and excavate the rooms

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that were underneath and they've dug in

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enough that you can actually go in there

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which is stupid because snakes and stuff

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live in there I don't know why anybody'd

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be wandering in there

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yeah no no if the other how powerful the

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other workshops were there are a lot of

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people there I don't know if there were

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you know the same attendance as before

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but every time I walk by that main stage

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there were hundreds there's probably

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three four hundred people in lawn chairs

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and stuff sitting there because they

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don't have any seating so you have to

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bring your own you know chairs but how

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much extra did it cost for workshop for

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valets was 25 bucks

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he's certainly worth $25 I paid because

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one another wanted I wanted to go and -

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I hope you get some of that money I

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don't know if he needs it but it

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certainly I hope some of the money went

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to him for doing this workshop because

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how often does will they show up at

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anything he showed up at UFO

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International Congress two years ago

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Chris and I were there you came to gene

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us this is magic I give a presentation

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though he just answered a few questions

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and yeah you had a couple of statements

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yeah this is the first full blown

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bonafide true believer UFO conference

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he's done since 88 yeah I think what

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he's trying to do is basically give

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people one more like look this is how I

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do things this is how I've been doing

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things for years please you know listen

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to me and if you can you know if you can

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get something out of this maybe we can

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save part of this weird thing that's

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called ufology I think that's you know

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the I think that's the reason he was out

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there he's just kind of like he's trying

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to give people one more push into you

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know these are my ideas please consider

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them well consider any any creative

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thinking I mean yeah let's get real yeah

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exactly

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but the thing is what the the lecture

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was the UFO study for those who mean it

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what he did was you know it wasn't the

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flash and the and the fun stories and

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all that that everybody else was doing I

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would assume

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what his lecture was was look here are

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four UFO cases none of them are famous

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or anything like that he had two from

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history obviously because he's worked on

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that book with Chris all Beck wonders in

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the sky and he had two more modern ones

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both from France and the two older ones

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I can't remember what they were but you

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know one was from like the 17th century

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and one was from the 19th or 18th

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century and they actually went back and

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checked the records the people involved

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and found out that in fact you know one

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of them was so covered up with the

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politics of the time and broadsides and

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people writing for very different

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reasons that it was basically mostly

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made-up the other one a few of the

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people they found didn't even exist

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so he said look these two are just

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there's nothing you can get from these

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it's basically based on rumor and people

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repeating things over and over again

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till they think it's true

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the third one had to do with and this

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was fascinating if I can do you mind if

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I describe I'll take less than a minute

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hey whatever time is necessary the third

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case he was talking about happened in

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France I can't remember when he said

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probably I think in the 70s or 80s he

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said here's what happened there are a

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few people in this village in France

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somewhere about 1:00 in the morning they

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saw a really bright light and there was

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there were about four or five witnesses

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all the power went off in the town I

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guess I'm going to run out of time here

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in a little bit we'll continue on the

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other side but two people are in a car

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they said they saw this thing following

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them a woman uh the this old couples

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daughter she was visiting had a radio

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she heard weird sounds on the radio and

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after the incident was over the UFO was

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hanging over this fish pond where they

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were growing fish as a business and all

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the fish in the pond died ooh that's a

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good point to leave oh yeah yep Greg

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Bishop Jean Steinberg Chris O'Brien

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thank you for listening to GCS

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stuff please continue

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this fascinating story from Jacques

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Vallee okay so he said the Jean de Mille

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went out there and he said they have

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the information they get so they talk to

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all the witnesses they took down all

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their statements and I think maybe jape

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on the French part of their their

664
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military that actually investigates UFO

665
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reports they went out and talked to all

666
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the witnesses got all their statements

667
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found out that these fish had died there

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were three ponds there three fish

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growing ponds the middle pond was where

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this thing was hovering and then all the

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witnesses said or at least the closer

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ones that they saw fiery blobs of light

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or fire dropping out of the UFO towards

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the pond so they didn't talk to all the

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people got all their statements you know

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sounded like something really strange

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had happened everybody was kind of

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frightened they thought something very

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strange had happened and the one clue

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they had was all the fish in the one at

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pond had died so they took one of the

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fish to a lab and figured out that the

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fish had been poisoned not zapped with

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electricity not hit with array they had

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been poisoned by something that's pretty

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unusual yeah they did some more

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searching they they went to the power

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company there is a very very uh carrying

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a lot of power high tension wire at

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least power line going over that pond

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what they found out was that there was a

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short in that power line and that the

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the glowing white that everybody saw

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that big glowing white light was that

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was the arc happening while that while

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the line was shorting out

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the middle of the line was made with

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steel and it was it was a very old power

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line encased in aluminum the aluminum

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had been melting and falling into the

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pond that's what those little pieces of

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light shooting out you know falling out

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of the bottom of the object was so those

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little pieces of you know those pieces

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of molten aluminum had fallen into the

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pond and they were giving off like

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aluminum oxide and went out into the

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water and killed the fish so he's what

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he said was look after all because he

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said this sounds like a great case

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doesn't it and everybody's kind of

712
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nodding he said well it turned out it

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was a short in the power line and all

714
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the things that people said about it

715
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were basically things that they thought

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because they thought something really

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weird was going on he said so that that

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takes care of that case the final case

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he said he had actually investigated

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himself which is in his area of France I

721
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think Pontoise where he grew up and so

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he said I know some I know the people

723
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here and I know how they talk and I know

724
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what they're like and all that so it's

725
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easy for me to go out and talk to them

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at a hunting lodge he said this large

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object I think sometime in the 90s had

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shown up at 5:00 in the morning hovered

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over this person's car all kinds of

730
00:30:36,019 --> 00:30:33,769
weird lights were falling out of it like

731
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sparkly lights onto the ground and

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00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:38,309
disappearing there were four witnesses

733
00:30:44,419 --> 00:30:42,240
he found two or three more uh basically

734
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said the same story except one who said

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that he saw an airliner flying over the

736
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the hunting lodge which he said is next

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to impossible because it would have

738
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crashed at that at that level and

739
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there's it's not on anybody's you know

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final approach or anything like that

741
00:31:01,580 --> 00:30:59,880
anyway he said look I'm still looking at

742
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:01,590
this case I don't know if there's an

743
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explanation for it but that what he

744
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wanted to leave everybody with was if

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you're going to do serious research talk

746
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to people find more witnesses get

747
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everything you can out of them do not

748
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front-load them with any kind of

749
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information that you think should be

750
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relevant just let them talk and check

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00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:19,860
out everything before you make any kind

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of a conclusion even if it's no

753
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conclusion that was his basic message to

754
00:31:32,509 --> 00:31:27,919
everyone in and it went out to 40 people

755
00:31:35,210 --> 00:31:32,519
yeah until the break when one-third of

756
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the people left yeah I don't

757
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quote me strictly on that but I kind of

758
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:39,750
looked around me after the break and I

759
00:31:43,370 --> 00:31:41,610
did notice as far as I could tell that

760
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:43,380
there were less people there probably up

761
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:45,240
to a third at left so they're probably

762
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you know thirty people after twenty when

763
00:31:51,650 --> 00:31:50,010
he gave the last part of its talk and I

764
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was thinking this is Jacques Vallee

765
00:31:57,020 --> 00:31:54,390
talking where did you people go he had

766
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well you know you stayed stayed kind of

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hidden and apart from the field for

768
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:01,770
almost forty years and that's what

769
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happens

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speaking of appearing we are working on

771
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the possibility of having Jacques fillet

772
00:32:13,730 --> 00:32:10,560
returned to the power cast later this

773
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:13,740
year that's in the cards so let's see

774
00:32:18,140 --> 00:32:16,170
what happens and maybe we'll bring you

775
00:32:20,150 --> 00:32:18,150
back Greg for that one there are a lot

776
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:20,160
of things to talk to him about and I

777
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:23,850
find it so sad in the UFO field that

778
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:26,640
someone like that someone that

779
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:29,610
influential is just shunted aside to

780
00:32:35,210 --> 00:32:32,130
some kind of workshop and very few

781
00:32:36,170 --> 00:32:35,220
people care I think that's my son I

782
00:32:38,060 --> 00:32:36,180
don't wanted it that way

783
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:38,070
I want to think that I don't think he

784
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:39,210
did I don't think he really cares

785
00:32:42,980 --> 00:32:40,500
whether he's favorites or not what he

786
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:42,990
cares about is that his message gets out

787
00:32:48,740 --> 00:32:44,850
to people who will do something about it

788
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:48,750
right right Hiawatha would the with the

789
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:52,650
the paddle on the it says Regan yeah

790
00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:54,570
exactly I've gotten to the point where

791
00:32:57,860 --> 00:32:56,340
it's like people are saying we've got to

792
00:33:00,170 --> 00:32:57,870
save the field and it's like no we don't

793
00:33:02,450 --> 00:33:00,180
we have to get Pete smart people who are

794
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:02,460
interested in doing good work to do this

795
00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:05,010
work without a TV show sitting there

796
00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:07,260
without some big book deal without a

797
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:09,960
movie deal that just doing the damn work

798
00:33:16,580 --> 00:33:14,250
quietly and and and methodically and and

799
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:16,590
not even scientifically in whatever

800
00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:20,250
method works that brings a result get a

801
00:33:24,590 --> 00:33:22,260
result and bring it back to us and see

802
00:33:26,210 --> 00:33:24,600
if we can do it too I think that's how

803
00:33:28,700 --> 00:33:26,220
think and a lot of it you have to

804
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:28,710
recognize it anything that happens to

805
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:31,130
people is of in regards to the

806
00:33:35,510 --> 00:33:34,530
phenomenon is a very individual thing so

807
00:33:37,370 --> 00:33:35,520
everybody's going to have their

808
00:33:39,620 --> 00:33:37,380
individual reaction to it and we have to

809
00:33:41,390 --> 00:33:39,630
realize that that's not a that's not a

810
00:33:44,060 --> 00:33:41,400
scientific way to go about it science

811
00:33:46,220 --> 00:33:44,070
can be used but it has to be alongside I

812
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:46,230
think other methods focusing on the

813
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experience as much as

814
00:33:51,810 --> 00:33:50,350
the event and the experiencer just want

815
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to bring up a couple of things which may

816
00:33:56,190 --> 00:33:53,470
be worthy of comment looking at where

817
00:34:00,330 --> 00:33:56,200
the field is going so we have robert

818
00:34:03,659 --> 00:34:00,340
zemeckis producing a new sci-fi drama

819
00:34:06,510 --> 00:34:03,669
based on project Bluebook of the 50s and

820
00:34:09,950 --> 00:34:06,520
60s and the lead character will be based

821
00:34:11,940 --> 00:34:09,960
on dr. J Allen Hynek you've heard this

822
00:34:13,619 --> 00:34:11,950
have you seen this have you heard about

823
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:13,629
this I have but I didn't look into it

824
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:16,000
I've heard about it too just the last

825
00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:18,730
couple of days let's see that History

826
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:21,730
Channel I think is ordered up a whole

827
00:34:26,369 --> 00:34:24,639
bunch of shows now this would be fiction

828
00:34:28,020 --> 00:34:26,379
no one's pretending it's going to be

829
00:34:30,180 --> 00:34:28,030
fact it's not going to be like hangar 1

830
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which is fiction masquerading as fact

831
00:34:35,220 --> 00:34:33,040
there'll be a sci-fi drama which means

832
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they can take dramatic liberties and I

833
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hope that dr. hynek's family is being

834
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well compensated for the rights to use

835
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his persona yeah it's like the the last

836
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:46,419
series based on Blue Book was project

837
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:48,850
UFO produced by Jack Webb I believe in

838
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:51,369
the 70s some time it lasted a single

839
00:34:56,340 --> 00:34:54,310
season and they tried to bring or maybe

840
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:56,350
choose in a season maybe two seasons

841
00:35:02,520 --> 00:34:58,960
I'll look it up Project UFO and the

842
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:02,530
thing I recall about it is obviously it

843
00:35:08,670 --> 00:35:05,650
had that breezy clip dialogue style of

844
00:35:12,450 --> 00:35:08,680
Jack Webb but it seemed as if they

845
00:35:14,340 --> 00:35:12,460
solved every case that it was presented

846
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:14,350
from the skeptics point of view oh this

847
00:35:21,020 --> 00:35:18,160
is definitely another case it didn't

848
00:35:26,250 --> 00:35:21,030
survive I'm looking here the show was on

849
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:26,260
1978 and 79 there were two seasons and I

850
00:35:28,620 --> 00:35:27,520
want to see how many episodes they did

851
00:35:31,950 --> 00:35:28,630
in the second season

852
00:35:34,859 --> 00:35:31,960
it looks like 13 episodes in the second

853
00:35:37,650 --> 00:35:34,869
season and in the first season they did

854
00:35:40,170 --> 00:35:37,660
13 so it was kind of one of these brief

855
00:35:43,140 --> 00:35:40,180
series so it's the equivalent of a

856
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:43,150
little more than one season that spanned

857
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:46,450
two seasons there you go and was got

858
00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:48,850
prior love I love that show when I was a

859
00:35:53,970 --> 00:35:51,310
kid well as I said I thought they were

860
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:53,980
always taking a skeptical approach but

861
00:35:57,900 --> 00:35:54,970
it was in Keene

862
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:57,910
it was either America go ahead was in

863
00:36:00,320 --> 00:35:59,440
keeping very much with the style of Jack

864
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:00,330
Webb though

865
00:36:05,390 --> 00:36:02,610
mm-hmm we'll get back to that in a

866
00:36:07,790 --> 00:36:05,400
moment and Greg's further observations

867
00:36:09,860 --> 00:36:07,800
if it's on Netflix I don't know we want

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993
00:41:36,970 --> 00:41:31,910
now Greg before we went on that project

994
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:36,980
UFO TV show from the 70s Greg you said

995
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that you think maybe there were one or

996
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more episodes when they took a positive

997
00:41:46,359 --> 00:41:43,250
view of the case I don't know about

998
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:46,369
positive but from my memory which is

999
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maybe wrong there at least a couple of

1000
00:41:54,010 --> 00:41:52,220
my remember seeing where they never

1001
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really solved it like this is one of the

1002
00:41:59,319 --> 00:41:57,020
unsolved ones but yeah Jack Webb just

1003
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:59,329
the facts so who knows because he

1004
00:42:04,660 --> 00:42:01,520
sincerely was interested in the subject

1005
00:42:06,370 --> 00:42:04,670
there is strangely enough I had was

1006
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:06,380
doing some research once and I went to

1007
00:42:10,420 --> 00:42:08,810
UCLA the UCL at one of the UCLA

1008
00:42:13,089 --> 00:42:10,430
libraries here in Los Angeles and

1009
00:42:15,550 --> 00:42:13,099
there's a whole section of the Jack Webb

1010
00:42:16,780 --> 00:42:15,560
collection of UFO books it takes up I

1011
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:16,790
don't know there's probably a few

1012
00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:19,130
hundred in it so which is fascinating me

1013
00:42:23,020 --> 00:42:20,510
I didn't know he was so interested in

1014
00:42:24,460 --> 00:42:23,030
he's because one of those Jackie Gleason

1015
00:42:26,829 --> 00:42:24,470
celebrities that are really into the

1016
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:26,839
subject so that's part of that's part of

1017
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:28,730
the Jack Webb that people don't know

1018
00:42:34,030 --> 00:42:31,250
about right but he died young he was

1019
00:42:36,670 --> 00:42:34,040
like 49 years old and he has no heart

1020
00:42:38,140 --> 00:42:36,680
attack smoking is that what did it well

1021
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:38,150
probably I mean he was a heavy smoker

1022
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:39,920
just like a lot of people then - Rod

1023
00:42:44,140 --> 00:42:41,839
Serling at John Wayne all those people

1024
00:42:47,260 --> 00:42:44,150
right so it seemed like he had a long

1025
00:42:49,870 --> 00:42:47,270
way to go of course he made all his

1026
00:42:51,550 --> 00:42:49,880
money and he did all his work actually

1027
00:42:52,210 --> 00:42:51,560
he was older than that I'll tell you

1028
00:42:54,609 --> 00:42:52,220
that in a moment

1029
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:54,619
he didn't his major work of course with

1030
00:42:59,940 --> 00:42:56,930
dragnet and right

1031
00:43:03,609 --> 00:42:59,950
he suffered from acute asthma a

1032
00:43:05,890 --> 00:43:03,619
childhood problem so smoking didn't help

1033
00:43:10,210 --> 00:43:05,900
and actually he was older than I thought

1034
00:43:15,460 --> 00:43:10,220
he died at the age of 62 in 1982 right

1035
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:15,470
so there you go John Randolph Webb yes

1036
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:17,690
yeah I'm looking at it now - Wow he was

1037
00:43:22,089 --> 00:43:18,770
born in Santa Monica

1038
00:43:23,710 --> 00:43:22,099
good for him hahaha and he's buried in

1039
00:43:25,569 --> 00:43:23,720
Forest Lawn I actually think I've seen

1040
00:43:28,270 --> 00:43:25,579
his grave there when I've been to Forest

1041
00:43:30,010 --> 00:43:28,280
Lawn once once or twice I've seen his

1042
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,020
grave there sure oh he was married to

1043
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Julie London good for him he had six

1044
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thousand jazz albums as private

1045
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collection and was a close friend of

1046
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Gene Roddenberry that makes sense

1047
00:43:46,689 --> 00:43:44,719
Jack Webb speaking of figures public

1048
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figures is a big story that's been out

1049
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last few weeks an interview with Bob

1050
00:43:58,049 --> 00:43:54,349
Bigelow saying basically that he's

1051
00:44:00,999 --> 00:43:58,059
absolutely convinced UFOs or alien of

1052
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course that story after it was out for a

1053
00:44:05,620 --> 00:44:03,139
few days I don't know if he said that

1054
00:44:08,499 --> 00:44:05,630
gene well that's the actual quote

1055
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absolutely convinced no he said he's

1056
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absolutely convinced that they're here

1057
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:13,819
do you believe in aliens I'm absolutely

1058
00:44:18,879 --> 00:44:17,089
convinced that's all there is to it do

1059
00:44:22,659 --> 00:44:18,889
you also believe that UFOs have come to

1060
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earth there has been and is an existing

1061
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presence and et presence and I spent

1062
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millions and millions and millions I

1063
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probably spent more as an individual

1064
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than anybody else in the United States

1065
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has ever spent on the subject is it

1066
00:44:41,379 --> 00:44:38,479
risky for you to say in public that you

1067
00:44:42,609 --> 00:44:41,389
believe in UFOs and aliens I don't give

1068
00:44:45,129 --> 00:44:42,619
a damn I don't care

1069
00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:45,139
that's quoting from the 60 Minutes

1070
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:51,169
interview okay i grovel corrected that's

1071
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the first time in seven years I just

1072
00:44:58,539 --> 00:44:56,809
wanna I wanna so this I think I think

1073
00:45:01,509 --> 00:44:58,549
the important point to be made here is

1074
00:45:03,399 --> 00:45:01,519
that he thinks they're here yes very

1075
00:45:05,499 --> 00:45:03,409
much you look at that quote carefully

1076
00:45:07,419 --> 00:45:05,509
it's almost like he's saying that

1077
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:07,429
they're there alongside us that they're

1078
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:09,529
the other tenants in the building that

1079
00:45:13,179 --> 00:45:11,599
most people aren't aware of that's the

1080
00:45:15,579 --> 00:45:13,189
impression I get but then that's what

1081
00:45:17,289 --> 00:45:15,589
I'm probably wanting to to see no you

1082
00:45:18,909 --> 00:45:17,299
know what he actually said it I don't

1083
00:45:20,709 --> 00:45:18,919
know if Jean actually repeated this he

1084
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:20,719
said there and I think maybe you did he

1085
00:45:26,379 --> 00:45:22,880
said they're here right under our noses

1086
00:45:28,029 --> 00:45:26,389
exactly nobody has said anything about

1087
00:45:29,469 --> 00:45:28,039
that they said why does it he telling us

1088
00:45:30,969 --> 00:45:29,479
what he knows why isn't he releasing all

1089
00:45:34,149 --> 00:45:30,979
this information why is it he you know

1090
00:45:35,799 --> 00:45:34,159
how come he doesn't share that I don't

1091
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:35,809
think that's the point and we can get

1092
00:45:39,399 --> 00:45:38,089
into that - what would you avoid Gregg

1093
00:45:41,409 --> 00:45:39,409
thank you for pointing it out that's

1094
00:45:43,779 --> 00:45:41,419
exactly the the sentence that I was

1095
00:45:46,389 --> 00:45:43,789
referring to okay here's the road right

1096
00:45:49,389 --> 00:45:46,399
here from the Mary Logan asks you can

1097
00:45:51,849 --> 00:45:49,399
find it here where exactly it's just

1098
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:51,859
like right under people's noses oh my

1099
00:45:55,310 --> 00:45:53,049
gosh Wow

1100
00:45:57,890 --> 00:45:55,320
yeah I think he's saying that

1101
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,900
because as Chris said you know it's it's

1102
00:45:59,780 --> 00:45:59,280
just a presence that's been with us

1103
00:46:02,930 --> 00:45:59,790
forever

1104
00:46:04,610 --> 00:46:02,940
either that or as other people have

1105
00:46:07,150 --> 00:46:04,620
suggested whatever this other

1106
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:07,160
intelligence is which I I think there is

1107
00:46:14,270 --> 00:46:10,530
is not it's not bound by time or space

1108
00:46:16,310 --> 00:46:14,280
so it's it's accessible to anybody all

1109
00:46:17,540 --> 00:46:16,320
the time depending on what's going on or

1110
00:46:20,660 --> 00:46:17,550
what conditions you're in or whatever

1111
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:20,670
and he would know yeah just careful what

1112
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,450
you wish for yeah and the other point I

1113
00:46:28,490 --> 00:46:26,640
made a couple you know I try not to get

1114
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:28,500
too much into it with people online

1115
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:30,690
because I you know my new my new slogan

1116
00:46:37,940 --> 00:46:32,250
which is going to be on t-shirts I make

1117
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:37,950
is do not engage the I think the the you

1118
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:40,170
know kind of the main point here when

1119
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:41,610
people are saying why doesn't he tell us

1120
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:43,530
and why does he admit and why does he

1121
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:46,050
share this information I guess he could

1122
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:49,050
and it might help but I think from his

1123
00:46:51,590 --> 00:46:50,490
point of view and he said this in the

1124
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:51,600
interview I've spent millions of dollars

1125
00:46:57,710 --> 00:46:55,440
I've done a he's got access to people

1126
00:47:01,490 --> 00:46:57,720
information and most importantly

1127
00:47:03,710 --> 00:47:01,500
experiences that we do not it's like

1128
00:47:05,780 --> 00:47:03,720
saying to somebody why do you believe in

1129
00:47:08,330 --> 00:47:05,790
UFOs and if they've seen one or had a

1130
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:08,340
close encounter how can they explain

1131
00:47:11,860 --> 00:47:09,930
that to you except that you've gone

1132
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:11,870
through it yourself they can't really

1133
00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:15,510
it's just it if I had a gazillion

1134
00:47:19,250 --> 00:47:17,250
dollars and all the resources and all

1135
00:47:21,860 --> 00:47:19,260
that and most importantly the belief

1136
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:21,870
system that he has and the conviction

1137
00:47:25,850 --> 00:47:23,970
that that's what's going on I'd find

1138
00:47:28,250 --> 00:47:25,860
that out too if I'm giving people two

1139
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:28,260
gazillion dollars to find out you know

1140
00:47:32,660 --> 00:47:30,690
if if my hunches are correct if they're

1141
00:47:34,850 --> 00:47:32,670
Tim if they tell me they're not I don't

1142
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:34,860
want to hear that do i I want to hear

1143
00:47:38,810 --> 00:47:36,930
from people that are reinforcing that

1144
00:47:41,210 --> 00:47:38,820
what I kind of think is that there's

1145
00:47:42,770 --> 00:47:41,220
aliens he coming here from somewhere he

1146
00:47:44,510 --> 00:47:42,780
said in the show that his grandmother

1147
00:47:46,340 --> 00:47:44,520
and his grandfather had had a close

1148
00:47:48,620 --> 00:47:46,350
encounter I guess with with some crafts

1149
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,630
on a highway out near Vegas he's had

1150
00:47:52,310 --> 00:47:50,880
things that he wouldn't get into and he

1151
00:47:54,350 --> 00:47:52,320
might probably had stuff go on at

1152
00:47:56,990 --> 00:47:54,360
skinwalker that he where he was standing

1153
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:57,000
right there every time well you can't

1154
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:58,410
explain that to somebody who doesn't

1155
00:48:02,750 --> 00:48:00,800
know what you're talking about so I

1156
00:48:04,190 --> 00:48:02,760
don't know it might a little bit a

1157
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:04,200
little bit of arrogance but it's also

1158
00:48:08,110 --> 00:48:05,570
kind of like I

1159
00:48:09,940 --> 00:48:08,120
I completely believe these things they

1160
00:48:12,190 --> 00:48:09,950
make total sense to me and there's

1161
00:48:13,330 --> 00:48:12,200
almost no way I could explain it to you

1162
00:48:14,860 --> 00:48:13,340
unless you've gone through what I've

1163
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:14,870
gone through but he's not going to say

1164
00:48:18,340 --> 00:48:16,130
all that stuff there's not enough time

1165
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:18,350
and people wouldn't understand but well

1166
00:48:22,570 --> 00:48:20,720
one thing that that I if I ever

1167
00:48:24,490 --> 00:48:22,580
interviewed him I want to know what his

1168
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:24,500
motivations were and I could probably

1169
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:27,410
predict that he would say uh first of

1170
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:29,690
all he want he's looking for propulsion

1171
00:48:36,490 --> 00:48:32,930
diagnostic science so that he can come

1172
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:36,500
up with a way to duplicate this inertial

1173
00:48:41,950 --> 00:48:40,370
you know propulsion of he's really

1174
00:48:44,590 --> 00:48:41,960
looking for propulsion diagnostic

1175
00:48:46,750 --> 00:48:44,600
information that he can commercialize

1176
00:48:49,950 --> 00:48:46,760
that's very important he's a businessman

1177
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:49,960
he wants to come up with a way to scoot

1178
00:48:54,340 --> 00:48:51,970
objects around in our atmosphere

1179
00:48:58,500 --> 00:48:54,350
effortlessly I mean that's that's a goal

1180
00:49:01,480 --> 00:48:58,510
and the other goal is his deep interest

1181
00:49:06,190 --> 00:49:01,490
almost obsession with the paranormal and

1182
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,200
and afterlife studies that's why I think

1183
00:49:11,740 --> 00:49:08,720
his relationship with John Alexander was

1184
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:11,750
quite a close one and and probably a

1185
00:49:17,830 --> 00:49:15,290
long-standing relationship because John

1186
00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:17,840
Alexander has a PhD in thanatology the

1187
00:49:22,090 --> 00:49:19,730
study of life after death

1188
00:49:25,390 --> 00:49:22,100
basically in the study of death and so

1189
00:49:27,250 --> 00:49:25,400
he lost his son and that was a very

1190
00:49:29,380 --> 00:49:27,260
traumatic thing for him from what I've

1191
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:29,390
heard and personally he is obsessed with

1192
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:31,370
finding a way to actually communicate

1193
00:49:36,670 --> 00:49:34,910
with his son I did not know that part of

1194
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:36,680
his story but yeah thanks ringing that

1195
00:49:40,990 --> 00:49:39,200
up yeah well not many people do no and

1196
00:49:43,860 --> 00:49:41,000
you know when I when I look at someone

1197
00:49:46,810 --> 00:49:43,870
like a big lo who is a complete outsider

1198
00:49:49,930 --> 00:49:46,820
standalone individual I mean you know he

1199
00:49:52,690 --> 00:49:49,940
the only person even remotely like him

1200
00:49:55,180 --> 00:49:52,700
and in my estimation would have been

1201
00:49:57,010 --> 00:49:55,190
Laurance Rockefeller but but one thing

1202
00:49:59,230 --> 00:49:57,020
you got to say about Bigelow he puts his

1203
00:50:02,400 --> 00:49:59,240
money where his interests are and he's

1204
00:50:05,650 --> 00:50:02,410
not afraid of any sort of you know

1205
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:05,660
blowback or any sort of you know being

1206
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:07,520
painted with the little green alien

1207
00:50:13,090 --> 00:50:10,400
brush not at all I mean he proudly wears

1208
00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:13,100
it on his on his uh his big hangar with

1209
00:50:18,050 --> 00:50:15,710
the you know the skyrise kind of hi-def

1210
00:50:21,740 --> 00:50:18,060
where was it hiked on

1211
00:50:23,810 --> 00:50:21,750
contrast image of an alien gray head as

1212
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:23,820
part of the the Bigelow Aerospace logo

1213
00:50:28,580 --> 00:50:26,160
so you know the guy really is an iconic

1214
00:50:31,610 --> 00:50:28,590
class you've got to really appreciate

1215
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:31,620
the fact that he is really truly putting

1216
00:50:34,460 --> 00:50:33,570
his money where his mouth is I just wish

1217
00:50:36,860 --> 00:50:34,470
he would be a little bit more

1218
00:50:40,130 --> 00:50:36,870
forthcoming with some of the data that

1219
00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:40,140
he's obviously not been able to gather I

1220
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,540
understand where he's coming from I I

1221
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:44,400
feel for everybody and I agree with them

1222
00:50:47,810 --> 00:50:46,170
yeah release some of this data but I

1223
00:50:50,060 --> 00:50:47,820
also don't I don't feel like the

1224
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:50,070
condemnation like you know you selfish

1225
00:50:54,380 --> 00:50:52,380
bastard why don't you blah blah blah no

1226
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:54,390
no I mean I it is

1227
00:50:58,820 --> 00:50:56,610
yeah he's bought it it's his it'd be

1228
00:51:00,320 --> 00:50:58,830
nice if he could share it but I'm trying

1229
00:51:01,970 --> 00:51:00,330
to you know get into his head space

1230
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:01,980
spice you know why would he say these

1231
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:03,930
things what was his motivation for

1232
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:05,850
saying these things and as I've just

1233
00:51:11,660 --> 00:51:07,650
described that's that I I think that's

1234
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:11,670
what's going on with him and it points

1235
00:51:16,580 --> 00:51:14,250
out that and I made this point I think

1236
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,590
Susan st. Clair damn it er st. Clair put

1237
00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:18,240
something up on her Facebook recently

1238
00:51:23,090 --> 00:51:21,510
within the last couple hours and I said

1239
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:23,100
look he's got all these money and

1240
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:24,480
resources and he's gone out and tried to

1241
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:26,490
find out for himself we've got to do it

1242
00:51:31,610 --> 00:51:29,490
too with our own with the resources

1243
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:31,620
available to us we've got more to come

1244
00:51:38,090 --> 00:51:34,110
about Robert Bigelow and lots more

1245
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:38,100
things with Greg Jean and Chris you're

1246
00:51:58,280 --> 00:51:53,480
thank you for listening to GCN

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1299
00:54:14,319 --> 00:54:10,010
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1300
00:54:23,540 --> 00:54:14,329
standard of paranormal radio and now

1301
00:54:25,849 --> 00:54:23,550
here's Jane Steinberg so I'm not going

1302
00:54:30,740 --> 00:54:25,859
to comment on Greg bishops language work

1303
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:30,750
Chuck fillets evil twin yes

1304
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:34,170
very evil taking poor Berlitz language

1305
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:36,810
lessons in French that's why I said

1306
00:54:44,270 --> 00:54:42,210
hahaha afterwards yes Greg Bishop now

1307
00:54:46,910 --> 00:54:44,280
here's a thing that always bothered me

1308
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:46,920
about Bigelow is when he puts his money

1309
00:54:50,750 --> 00:54:48,810
and he wants that control I mean he has

1310
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:50,760
a right it's his money but like for

1311
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:53,280
example with MUFON of course I think his

1312
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:55,050
problem with MUFON was not just the

1313
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:57,359
money thing that they didn't deliver the

1314
00:55:03,050 --> 00:55:00,720
research he paid them to do I think that

1315
00:55:05,150 --> 00:55:03,060
was part of the dispute there and that's

1316
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:05,160
the problem with MUFON they don't

1317
00:55:10,730 --> 00:55:07,760
deliver anything except a lot of

1318
00:55:14,210 --> 00:55:10,740
controversies like this guy john Venter

1319
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:14,220
remember him Greg where he was ousted

1320
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:16,410
finally because he is a white

1321
00:55:22,190 --> 00:55:19,440
nationalist making overt racist comments

1322
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:22,200
we don't like to talk about politics but

1323
00:55:28,550 --> 00:55:24,569
this guy was saying some pretty nasty

1324
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:28,560
things and finally he was dismissed I

1325
00:55:33,980 --> 00:55:31,170
guess as a state director but he also

1326
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:33,990
was a co-host of the hangar one TV show

1327
00:55:37,970 --> 00:55:36,450
which is still available online so I

1328
00:55:39,770 --> 00:55:37,980
don't know what they do about that I

1329
00:55:42,380 --> 00:55:39,780
don't know you guys haven't talked about

1330
00:55:44,780 --> 00:55:42,390
this on your show yet we did a little

1331
00:55:47,359 --> 00:55:44,790
bit Chris wasn't on but we did last week

1332
00:55:49,579 --> 00:55:47,369
I saw a little bit this at the beginning

1333
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:49,589
as soon as that gen Harsin thing came up

1334
00:55:53,900 --> 00:55:51,690
saying oh well you know if any you

1335
00:55:55,819 --> 00:55:53,910
shouldn't really who's worse the hater

1336
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:55,829
or the people doing the hating all the

1337
00:56:01,160 --> 00:55:57,810
haters that come on it's like whoa what

1338
00:56:02,510 --> 00:56:01,170
kind of a reaction was that immediately

1339
00:56:04,790 --> 00:56:02,520
people started but I think I was the

1340
00:56:06,620 --> 00:56:04,800
fifth one on there I actually said I

1341
00:56:08,839 --> 00:56:06,630
didn't say anything about venturesome

1342
00:56:10,430 --> 00:56:08,849
look he can say whatever he wants he

1343
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:10,440
should be able to say whatever he wants

1344
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:12,330
that's totally fine whether you

1345
00:56:16,550 --> 00:56:13,680
with them or not I don't personally

1346
00:56:21,110 --> 00:56:16,560
agree with them but whatever the problem

1347
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:21,120
here was damage control any organization

1348
00:56:27,380 --> 00:56:25,170
any group government private nonprofit

1349
00:56:28,820 --> 00:56:27,390
as soon as somebody sticks their head up

1350
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:28,830
above water and says something that

1351
00:56:33,170 --> 00:56:30,810
might get them in trouble they cut them

1352
00:56:34,550 --> 00:56:33,180
off immediately they said we don't have

1353
00:56:36,050 --> 00:56:34,560
anything to do with this person they do

1354
00:56:37,970 --> 00:56:36,060
not reach work the values of our

1355
00:56:41,150 --> 00:56:37,980
organization and we have let them go

1356
00:56:41,690 --> 00:56:41,160
they didn't do that that was a big

1357
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:41,700
mistake

1358
00:56:47,060 --> 00:56:45,210
and you know they did it later after a

1359
00:56:48,110 --> 00:56:47,070
lot of people started leaving MUFON and

1360
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:48,120
saying look we're not going to be

1361
00:56:52,790 --> 00:56:50,490
associated with this anymore so the

1362
00:56:55,010 --> 00:56:52,800
problem though yeah wasn't really with

1363
00:56:57,890 --> 00:56:55,020
Avenger which is you know a problem

1364
00:57:00,020 --> 00:56:57,900
anyway the problem was the reaction to

1365
00:57:02,990 --> 00:57:00,030
it that's what the blowback was of

1366
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:03,000
course I mean even then it seemed like

1367
00:57:09,350 --> 00:57:06,690
it was a half-hearted statement and I

1368
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:09,360
think he certainly should have been more

1369
00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:12,210
forthcoming about it certainly expressed

1370
00:57:17,300 --> 00:57:14,700
some emotion how offended they are but

1371
00:57:19,580 --> 00:57:17,310
also tell the members what are they

1372
00:57:21,740 --> 00:57:19,590
doing to make sure other people who

1373
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:21,750
presumably speak for the organization

1374
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:23,280
which is the separation I mean anyone

1375
00:57:28,430 --> 00:57:26,160
can join but when you speak for the

1376
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:28,440
organization you're in a position of

1377
00:57:34,130 --> 00:57:31,170
power state director member of the board

1378
00:57:36,170 --> 00:57:34,140
a field investigator they need to do

1379
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,180
something to check these people to make

1380
00:57:40,970 --> 00:57:38,400
sure they are people that you can

1381
00:57:43,250 --> 00:57:40,980
welcome into your home and accept their

1382
00:57:45,050 --> 00:57:43,260
presence well either that or people that

1383
00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:45,060
just do not bring up this crap and do

1384
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:47,160
not let it let it affect their public

1385
00:57:51,230 --> 00:57:48,960
persona what's done and move on or

1386
00:57:53,150 --> 00:57:51,240
anything said about move on I know

1387
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:53,160
people who are diametrically opposed to

1388
00:57:58,130 --> 00:57:55,410
me politically hold some opinions that I

1389
00:57:59,900 --> 00:57:58,140
really don't agree with or even like or

1390
00:58:02,360 --> 00:57:59,910
I think might be dangerous but as long

1391
00:58:03,890 --> 00:58:02,370
as they don't bring it up I really don't

1392
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:03,900
particularly care what they think as

1393
00:58:08,750 --> 00:58:06,240
long as they stay on point with whatever

1394
00:58:11,180 --> 00:58:08,760
we're working on that's fine I don't the

1395
00:58:12,830 --> 00:58:11,190
thoughtcrime thing does you know I don't

1396
00:58:14,810 --> 00:58:12,840
have any problem with people holding a

1397
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:14,820
belief system and not pushing it on

1398
00:58:19,310 --> 00:58:17,520
anybody else or either that or bringing

1399
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:19,320
it up in the context of MUFON or

1400
00:58:22,970 --> 00:58:21,090
whatever it is keep it to yourself even

1401
00:58:24,530 --> 00:58:22,980
to yourself and people may argue that he

1402
00:58:26,130 --> 00:58:24,540
was keeping it to himself because it was

1403
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:26,140
a personal page on Facebook

1404
00:58:31,499 --> 00:58:29,920
that's BS Facebook is public unless you

1405
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:31,509
don't show anything to anybody except

1406
00:58:35,489 --> 00:58:33,609
your friends everybody had access to

1407
00:58:36,839 --> 00:58:35,499
what he said on his page anybody that's

1408
00:58:38,519 --> 00:58:36,849
on Facebook so that that argument

1409
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:38,529
doesn't hold water with me

1410
00:58:44,249 --> 00:58:40,450
you know it's brought up a lot of other

1411
00:58:45,930 --> 00:58:44,259
problems in the organization and people

1412
00:58:48,479 --> 00:58:45,940
are speaking out about it and I hope

1413
00:58:50,729 --> 00:58:48,489
that this continues because if the

1414
00:58:54,509 --> 00:58:50,739
organization survives I don't know if it

1415
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:54,519
will or not I in some ways I want it to

1416
00:58:58,049 --> 00:58:56,170
survive and others I don't I'm

1417
00:59:01,440 --> 00:58:58,059
conflicted about it but that if it

1418
00:59:03,539 --> 00:59:01,450
survives that there's a severe shake-up

1419
00:59:06,269 --> 00:59:03,549
in how they do things how they vet

1420
00:59:07,650 --> 00:59:06,279
people and how you know what their

1421
00:59:11,069 --> 00:59:07,660
methodology is and even the

1422
00:59:13,710 --> 00:59:11,079
organizational structure and the thing

1423
00:59:16,620 --> 00:59:13,720
here is just look up the person online

1424
00:59:18,299 --> 00:59:16,630
the first thing if you see negatives and

1425
00:59:21,390 --> 00:59:18,309
anybody in the public eye has negatives

1426
00:59:24,299 --> 00:59:21,400
we all do yeah ask them what is this

1427
00:59:26,339 --> 00:59:24,309
about please explain and if the

1428
00:59:26,729 --> 00:59:26,349
explanation is satisfactory okay that's

1429
00:59:29,609 --> 00:59:26,739
fine

1430
00:59:33,630 --> 00:59:29,619
right exactly but you know make the

1431
00:59:35,549 --> 00:59:33,640
effort a lot of ways MUFON is not up to

1432
00:59:38,819 --> 00:59:35,559
date it's not living in the 21st century

1433
00:59:42,239 --> 00:59:38,829
their database feels like it's 1990 like

1434
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:42,249
a 1990 computer that can barely handle a

1435
00:59:46,769 --> 00:59:45,130
textual search and you want to search

1436
00:59:47,460 --> 00:59:46,779
for something in the database that's

1437
00:59:51,059 --> 00:59:47,470
what you get

1438
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:51,069
yeah and it's limited to oh I'll tell

1439
00:59:54,930 --> 00:59:52,930
you another thing ballet said in his

1440
01:00:00,210 --> 00:59:54,940
talk about which really surprised me

1441
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:00,220
about databases he said that I think

1442
01:00:04,650 --> 01:00:02,170
he's I hope I'm not quoting him out of

1443
01:00:07,229 --> 01:00:04,660
context or you know that anybody finds

1444
01:00:09,390 --> 01:00:07,239
out this is wrong please tell me what he

1445
01:00:12,509 --> 01:00:09,400
said was I don't believe that UFO

1446
01:00:13,470 --> 01:00:12,519
databases are useful anymore which

1447
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:13,480
floored me

1448
01:00:18,599 --> 01:00:16,450
and the reason he said that was that he

1449
01:00:21,150 --> 01:00:18,609
said look all this data has been

1450
01:00:23,569 --> 01:00:21,160
gathered by people with different ideas

1451
01:00:26,609 --> 01:00:23,579
different cultures different

1452
01:00:30,539 --> 01:00:26,619
organizations and they're all asking

1453
01:00:32,460 --> 01:00:30,549
different questions and if you put this

1454
01:00:34,349 --> 01:00:32,470
into a database and start searching

1455
01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:34,359
through it or even have an AI do it it's

1456
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:36,249
going to come out with crap because it's

1457
01:00:39,170 --> 01:00:37,839
basically he said it's it's the old

1458
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:39,180
garbage in garbage out

1459
01:00:43,309 --> 01:00:41,609
idea there's got to be a way and he

1460
01:00:46,130 --> 01:00:43,319
doesn't think there is as far as I could

1461
01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:46,140
tell to reconcile all the different ways

1462
01:00:50,839 --> 01:00:47,910
that data was gathered how it was

1463
01:00:54,020 --> 01:00:50,849
expressed and you know what was how it

1464
01:00:56,750 --> 01:00:54,030
was categorized and I I hope he's wrong

1465
01:00:58,520 --> 01:00:56,760
but I'm seeing he knows way more about

1466
01:01:01,520 --> 01:00:58,530
data and gather gathering than I ever

1467
01:01:06,140 --> 01:01:01,530
could so I'm willing to consider that

1468
01:01:09,290 --> 01:01:06,150
maybe maybe the era of gathering reports

1469
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:09,300
on all sightings might might be useless

1470
01:01:14,770 --> 01:01:12,089
at this point I don't know the answer to

1471
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:14,780
that I think we have enough sightings I

1472
01:01:20,930 --> 01:01:19,410
think it's what do we do with it what do

1473
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:20,940
we do with these experiences and the

1474
01:01:26,750 --> 01:01:24,559
problem with MUFON is they treat UFOs as

1475
01:01:28,609 --> 01:01:26,760
events that are separate from the

1476
01:01:30,799 --> 01:01:28,619
witness is the witness credible are not

1477
01:01:34,010 --> 01:01:30,809
fine now let's look at the event and

1478
01:01:36,410 --> 01:01:34,020
record it and that's their concern yeah

1479
01:01:38,690 --> 01:01:36,420
but how do you how do you categorize a

1480
01:01:40,970 --> 01:01:38,700
witness experience with the variety that

1481
01:01:43,059 --> 01:01:40,980
comes across that might be impossible I

1482
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:43,069
mean I guess you could take notes

1483
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:46,170
what what what happened later and but

1484
01:01:49,250 --> 01:01:47,730
this this isn't something in a I could

1485
01:01:51,170 --> 01:01:49,260
go through at this point and figure out

1486
01:01:53,329 --> 01:01:51,180
you'd have to have people going combing

1487
01:01:56,089 --> 01:01:53,339
through this stuff as a full-time job

1488
01:01:58,609 --> 01:01:56,099
which is another thing you know you have

1489
01:02:05,210 --> 01:01:58,619
to get people who are one data savvy and

1490
01:02:08,980 --> 01:02:05,220
to UFO report and and and you know savvy

1491
01:02:12,770 --> 01:02:08,990
to the the subject and three and

1492
01:02:14,359 --> 01:02:12,780
probably the most important how do you

1493
01:02:16,099 --> 01:02:14,369
find somebody that doesn't have a bias

1494
01:02:18,109 --> 01:02:16,109
that's going to start self selecting out

1495
01:02:23,500 --> 01:02:18,119
stuff that might be important I don't

1496
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:23,510
know I guess you can't self select stuff

1497
01:02:29,569 --> 01:02:26,970
yeah because everything and then see if

1498
01:02:31,099 --> 01:02:29,579
you can find something consistent from

1499
01:02:32,990 --> 01:02:31,109
one to the next

1500
01:02:35,870 --> 01:02:33,000
because right now you have a zillion

1501
01:02:39,410 --> 01:02:35,880
types of UFOs they tried to find

1502
01:02:42,380 --> 01:02:39,420
patterns you know ley lines and this and

1503
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:42,390
this parallel and that parallel that's

1504
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:45,450
parallel nonsense they keep trying to

1505
01:02:51,170 --> 01:02:49,200
find these patterns and what happens is

1506
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:51,180
once you find the pattern the phenomenon

1507
01:02:55,730 --> 01:02:53,090
does something else

1508
01:02:57,620 --> 01:02:55,740
we used to have the seven-year cycle of

1509
01:02:59,800 --> 01:02:57,630
UFOs would have flaps every seven years

1510
01:03:04,340 --> 01:02:59,810
flurries of sightings this goes back

1511
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:04,350
decades ago and then after people

1512
01:03:10,220 --> 01:03:07,200
started getting aware of that

1513
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:10,230
it stopped okay no more seven-year

1514
01:03:14,300 --> 01:03:12,930
cycles at a five-year cycle where were

1515
01:03:16,220 --> 01:03:14,310
the sightings from this year

1516
01:03:19,820 --> 01:03:16,230
flying saucers in the straight-line

1517
01:03:22,220 --> 01:03:19,830
mystery remember that book and that was

1518
01:03:25,060 --> 01:03:22,230
one of the early books trying to find a

1519
01:03:28,330 --> 01:03:25,070
pattern in the appearance of UFOs I

1520
01:03:31,460 --> 01:03:28,340
finally found a first printing copy

1521
01:03:33,620 --> 01:03:31,470
first part of English printing so I

1522
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:33,630
think the very first printing was in the

1523
01:03:38,810 --> 01:03:36,720
French only if I remember right I had

1524
01:03:40,010 --> 01:03:38,820
one of those too long ago but we'll go

1525
01:03:43,100 --> 01:03:40,020
into that me Michelle

1526
01:03:45,890 --> 01:03:43,110
yeah write more to come with Greg Bishop

1527
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remember of Amy Michelle

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he was really enough Inlet ballets

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process he was Valley's first real

1644
01:08:36,740 --> 01:08:33,659
mentor ah he was educated with diplomas

1645
01:08:39,229 --> 01:08:36,750
in psychology and philosophy and he was

1646
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:39,239
a broadcaster a Richard and a hunchback

1647
01:08:46,820 --> 01:08:44,880
was he yeah he was like Ray Palmer yeah

1648
01:08:49,249 --> 01:08:46,830
he was a hunchback kind of with one of

1649
01:08:51,050 --> 01:08:49,259
those sort of Loompa Loompa gates

1650
01:08:51,530 --> 01:08:51,060
because I think one leg was shorter than

1651
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the other

1652
01:08:59,800 --> 01:08:53,940
yeah I'm looking at his background here

1653
01:09:04,609 --> 01:08:59,810
and he was a sound engineer at one time

1654
01:09:08,180 --> 01:09:04,619
hmm he came out with his UFO book back

1655
01:09:10,999 --> 01:09:08,190
in the late 50s and he talked about

1656
01:09:12,890 --> 01:09:11,009
so-called alignments it says here yeah

1657
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:12,900
are we talking about flying saucers in

1658
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:14,400
the straight line mystery isn't he of

1659
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:17,040
doing the cloud the cloud ships yeah a

1660
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:19,679
very good book it's pretty rare it's

1661
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:22,319
difficult to find and I you know after

1662
01:09:28,450 --> 01:09:25,440
she's probably 3040 years of looking I

1663
01:09:30,410 --> 01:09:28,460
finally stumbled on a copy in a in a

1664
01:09:33,499 --> 01:09:30,420
secondhand bookstore I bought it for

1665
01:09:35,300 --> 01:09:33,509
like a dime it's probably worth some

1666
01:09:37,039 --> 01:09:35,310
money yeah that's usually how that kind

1667
01:09:38,780 --> 01:09:37,049
of stuff happens I don't even know if I

1668
01:09:41,089 --> 01:09:38,790
have a copy I don't I don't even think

1669
01:09:42,769 --> 01:09:41,099
it ever got reprinted actually I think

1670
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:42,779
there's only one hardcover printing of

1671
01:09:47,149 --> 01:09:45,359
it and I even have a decent dust jacket

1672
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:47,159
on it pretty happy with that

1673
01:09:55,970 --> 01:09:53,040
yeah nice jealousy I've been trying to

1674
01:09:57,890 --> 01:09:55,980
sell my most valuable book on eBay and

1675
01:10:01,310 --> 01:09:57,900
I've had a couple of bites but nothing

1676
01:10:02,780 --> 01:10:01,320
nothing nothing substantial it's kind of

1677
01:10:05,629 --> 01:10:02,790
tough when you're asking five figures

1678
01:10:09,379 --> 01:10:05,639
yeah well maybe you should go back to

1679
01:10:12,740 --> 01:10:09,389
the auction house yeah they'll probably

1680
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:12,750
have to yeah hey you guys had

1681
01:10:18,980 --> 01:10:14,880
Robert brands that are on recently how

1682
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:18,990
did that go well he was on last week he

1683
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:20,850
was on after the power cast it was kind

1684
01:10:25,250 --> 01:10:23,040
of just a brief thing kind of just like

1685
01:10:27,020 --> 01:10:25,260
a catch-up kind of thing he's gonna be

1686
01:10:29,390 --> 01:10:27,030
on again because we're going to bring

1687
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:29,400
him back to talk about Robby Graham's

1688
01:10:35,150 --> 01:10:32,730
book Oh excellent that's scheduled for

1689
01:10:38,180 --> 01:10:35,160
next week I think yeah cool yeah cuz

1690
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:38,190
that book just came out on Saturday no

1691
01:10:42,350 --> 01:10:39,690
why don't you tell us a little bit about

1692
01:10:46,940 --> 01:10:42,360
it does a little prequel for having

1693
01:10:49,970 --> 01:10:46,950
Robby and Robert on okay yeah about a

1694
01:10:52,430 --> 01:10:49,980
year ago two years ago I think Robby

1695
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:52,440
Grimm contacted me to be one of the last

1696
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:54,330
interviews for silver screen saucers

1697
01:10:59,570 --> 01:10:56,880
because he wanted to ask me about more

1698
01:11:01,370 --> 01:10:59,580
an aviary stuff he said you might be

1699
01:11:03,380 --> 01:11:01,380
interested in this this lecture I gave

1700
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:03,390
in Holland and what he did was he gave a

1701
01:11:06,170 --> 01:11:04,890
lecture about silver screen saucers I

1702
01:11:07,310 --> 01:11:06,180
believe and then at the end of the

1703
01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:07,320
lecture he said look there's something I

1704
01:11:11,630 --> 01:11:08,490
really want to say about the state of

1705
01:11:13,850 --> 01:11:11,640
ufology and he said it and he got he got

1706
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:13,860
people walking out he got cheers he got

1707
01:11:17,390 --> 01:11:15,330
people coming up to him later and saying

1708
01:11:19,580 --> 01:11:17,400
my god somebody should have been saying

1709
01:11:20,990 --> 01:11:19,590
this for so long I would wait waiting

1710
01:11:22,010 --> 01:11:21,000
for so long for somebody to say look

1711
01:11:25,540 --> 01:11:22,020
we're in trouble and things should

1712
01:11:28,250 --> 01:11:25,550
change he sent me a recording of that

1713
01:11:30,290 --> 01:11:28,260
lecture for that part of the lecture and

1714
01:11:32,330 --> 01:11:30,300
I realized that maybe we we were kindred

1715
01:11:33,740 --> 01:11:32,340
spirits so he started talking and he

1716
01:11:36,140 --> 01:11:33,750
said I think maybe I would like to do a

1717
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:36,150
book with some of these new ideas in it

1718
01:11:42,860 --> 01:11:40,170
so eventually that grew into UFOs

1719
01:11:45,500 --> 01:11:42,870
reframing the debate there are fourteen

1720
01:11:48,230 --> 01:11:45,510
writers in it maybe I can list them MJ

1721
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:48,240
binaya smee robert Branstetter Jack

1722
01:11:53,900 --> 01:11:50,610
brewer my Cleland Kurt Collins

1723
01:11:57,440 --> 01:11:53,910
Josh kuchen Lauren cuts Susan Demeter

1724
01:12:01,610 --> 01:11:57,450
st. Claire Micah Hanks Myles Lewis red

1725
01:12:04,250 --> 01:12:01,620
pill our friend Chris rutkowski and Ryan

1726
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:04,260
Sprague man I wish I'd been asked to do

1727
01:12:08,750 --> 01:12:05,610
contribute something because blue I

1728
01:12:12,860 --> 01:12:08,760
would splash the the old bathtub dry

1729
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:12,870
yeah I bet that ultimately everything

1730
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:14,370
went through Robbie it was his decision

1731
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:16,530
and he picked everybody so I was just

1732
01:12:21,140 --> 01:12:18,810
kind of felt lucky to be involved but

1733
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:21,150
the thing is that his quote on the book

1734
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:22,770
which he's said a couple times that I

1735
01:12:27,610 --> 01:12:24,960
love it it's a slap to the face of

1736
01:12:29,870 --> 01:12:27,620
ufology delivered with

1737
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:29,880
I'm looking at right now I'm looking at

1738
01:12:34,189 --> 01:12:32,400
the online version of the book let me

1739
01:12:36,649 --> 01:12:34,199
just point out something to people here

1740
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:36,659
since we have Greg on in the

1741
01:12:40,729 --> 01:12:38,850
acknowledgments my special thanks to

1742
01:12:42,830 --> 01:12:40,739
Greg Bishop who consulted with me

1743
01:12:45,860 --> 01:12:42,840
closely throughout the editing process

1744
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:45,870
and whose perspectives and advice have

1745
01:12:51,740 --> 01:12:49,050
been invaluable and of course red pill

1746
01:12:54,770 --> 01:12:51,750
junky did the illustrations which yes I

1747
01:12:57,020 --> 01:12:54,780
have is agent yeah I've guys I've become

1748
01:12:58,700 --> 01:12:57,030
his agents almost as people saying oh I

1749
01:13:01,160 --> 01:12:58,710
think I need a cover for a book I got

1750
01:13:03,250 --> 01:13:01,170
somebody for you and if you know he's

1751
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:03,260
done 2 book covers he's done mine and

1752
01:13:07,970 --> 01:13:05,520
reframing the debate they look

1753
01:13:10,130 --> 01:13:07,980
completely different from each other and

1754
01:13:13,310 --> 01:13:10,140
they're both equally striking and

1755
01:13:14,660 --> 01:13:13,320
amazing and I had it on a table once

1756
01:13:16,669 --> 01:13:14,670
when I was talking to somebody and

1757
01:13:18,290 --> 01:13:16,679
people walking by in the restaurant kept

1758
01:13:20,860 --> 01:13:18,300
coming by and looking at the cover even

1759
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:20,870
though they had no idea what it was of

1760
01:13:26,810 --> 01:13:24,570
devising CS your lettering yeah and the

1761
01:13:28,130 --> 01:13:26,820
Escher lettering is amazing this is my

1762
01:13:29,689 --> 01:13:28,140
book though they were just walking by

1763
01:13:32,060 --> 01:13:29,699
and everybody's looking at it because

1764
01:13:34,010 --> 01:13:32,070
the the image was so compelling and

1765
01:13:36,830 --> 01:13:34,020
that's what he's good at

1766
01:13:39,649 --> 01:13:36,840
and then you know he also contributed an

1767
01:13:42,380 --> 01:13:39,659
essay in there and get illustrations for

1768
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:42,390
it he also did did an illustration of

1769
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:46,560
Jaime mossad as a carnival barker boy

1770
01:13:51,919 --> 01:13:48,960
now that's definitely worth that alone

1771
01:13:54,649 --> 01:13:51,929
is worth the price of the book by the

1772
01:13:56,060 --> 01:13:54,659
way we do have a cartoon of me and Chris

1773
01:13:59,180 --> 01:13:56,070
and Chris doesn't like it so much

1774
01:14:01,939 --> 01:13:59,190
because it's chosen playing a guitar but

1775
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:01,949
that was done by red pill junky so I'm a

1776
01:14:11,090 --> 01:14:07,290
DJ and Chris is the musician yeah if you

1777
01:14:13,540 --> 01:14:11,100
get the picture yes so the the you know

1778
01:14:16,010 --> 01:14:13,550
the general idea of the book is let's um

1779
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:16,020
bring up things that have not been said

1780
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:18,000
before are mostly things that have been

1781
01:14:21,890 --> 01:14:20,250
said before in a different way or have

1782
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:21,900
been said before and nobody's paying

1783
01:14:26,930 --> 01:14:23,730
attention to it and we think they should

1784
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:26,940
or the writer does and present these as

1785
01:14:30,410 --> 01:14:28,650
kind of it's like you know let's let's

1786
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:30,420
reset a little bit and see what what

1787
01:14:34,220 --> 01:14:32,010
else can be done what other thoughts are

1788
01:14:36,350 --> 01:14:34,230
there are on the subject rather than

1789
01:14:38,899 --> 01:14:36,360
let's prove that aliens are coming here

1790
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:38,909
in ships to everybody in the book that

1791
01:14:41,890 --> 01:14:39,650
is not

1792
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:41,900
point of UFO study the point of UFO

1793
01:14:47,260 --> 01:14:45,530
study is to be curious is to be curious

1794
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:47,270
in an open-minded way and see what

1795
01:14:49,630 --> 01:14:47,810
happens

1796
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:49,640
the one thing interesting thing that's

1797
01:14:52,990 --> 01:14:51,440
in there is Kirk Collins talking about

1798
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:53,000
the Roswell slides research group

1799
01:15:00,669 --> 01:14:56,090
minute-by-minute basically almost what

1800
01:15:02,620 --> 01:15:00,679
happened and how they figured out what

1801
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:02,630
was eventually turned out to be a

1802
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:04,880
mummified child who was in the the

1803
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:08,210
museum right near where Chris lives in

1804
01:15:13,060 --> 01:15:10,370
the 1940s or so when the picture was

1805
01:15:15,250 --> 01:15:13,070
taken and that's a real fascinating

1806
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:15,260
account I was actually in that group but

1807
01:15:21,220 --> 01:15:17,090
I didn't do anything so I'm not really

1808
01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:21,230
mentioned and the cartoon from red pill

1809
01:15:27,310 --> 01:15:24,320
is if it looks like a mummy and it was

1810
01:15:29,860 --> 01:15:27,320
found in a museum that's obviously the

1811
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:29,870
body of a space alien yes that's that's

1812
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:32,090
what that's the word blue and I think

1813
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:36,290
above the subjects face and the title at

1814
01:15:40,810 --> 01:15:37,730
the bottom the bottom right says

1815
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:40,820
postcards from the fool me once carnival

1816
01:15:46,990 --> 01:15:44,090
yes I love this picture this is great

1817
01:15:48,610 --> 01:15:47,000
yeah so this is it like Chris said

1818
01:15:50,919 --> 01:15:48,620
that's I think that's worth the price of

1819
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:50,929
admission alone and the Kindle just came

1820
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:52,489
out a couple days ago so you can get it

1821
01:15:55,930 --> 01:15:54,560
in hardcover Kindle I don't know what

1822
01:15:58,540 --> 01:15:55,940
else I can say about I mean I could go

1823
01:16:01,419 --> 01:15:58,550
through each now just listen thank

1824
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:01,429
everybody I dia is to reframe the debate

1825
01:16:08,740 --> 01:16:03,890
I would just recommend get the book and

1826
01:16:11,649 --> 01:16:08,750
we'll have Robbie and Robert on UFOs

1827
01:16:13,660 --> 01:16:11,659
reframing the debate and I'm looking at

1828
01:16:15,130 --> 01:16:13,670
what you'll see with the Kindle version

1829
01:16:18,220 --> 01:16:15,140
more or less but I'm seeing a fully

1830
01:16:19,810 --> 01:16:18,230
formatted version here the PDF copy that

1831
01:16:21,820 --> 01:16:19,820
Robert sent me in fact I've got up now

1832
01:16:23,140 --> 01:16:21,830
ion won't get caught reading it because

1833
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:23,150
then we're not going to have a show

1834
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:26,480
I'm just getting reading a book now rpj

1835
01:16:30,610 --> 01:16:29,330
he also did one of the best editorials

1836
01:16:32,830 --> 01:16:30,620
we ever had in the parent cast

1837
01:16:35,020 --> 01:16:32,840
newsletter it was about comparing

1838
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:35,030
abductions and near-death experiences

1839
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:36,770
we've got Greg

1840
01:16:57,070 --> 01:16:53,330
thank you for listening to GCN

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at eight hundred three one 474 seventeen

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eight hundred three one 474 17 that's

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this is the Ramsar glossary of the UFO

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encyclopedia other books when you're

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listening to the podcast

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[Music]

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01:21:29,580 --> 01:21:23,980
was that Cave Dracula mm-hmm I was gonna

1957
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:29,590
say the para cast I'm just leaving this

1958
01:21:33,930 --> 01:21:32,170
on because I think it's in the spirit of

1959
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:33,940
beetles because it's 50 years of

1960
01:21:39,180 --> 01:21:35,050
Sergeant Pepper

1961
01:21:40,830 --> 01:21:39,190
we honor outtakes and we honor aside to

1962
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:40,840
be honor the surprising things that

1963
01:21:46,110 --> 01:21:43,810
occur yeah my favorite outtake tricks

1964
01:21:49,380 --> 01:21:46,120
was during the final mix down they had a

1965
01:21:51,150 --> 01:21:49,390
microphone live in the studio and as

1966
01:21:53,490 --> 01:21:51,160
they were doing the fade-out I am The

1967
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:53,500
Walrus which actually should have been

1968
01:21:57,570 --> 01:21:55,120
on Sergeant Pepper but it wasn't yeah

1969
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:57,580
but that was part of the magical mystery

1970
01:22:03,020 --> 01:22:00,400
tour thing right but it was actually

1971
01:22:05,730 --> 01:22:03,030
recorded during the the pepper sessions

1972
01:22:09,330 --> 01:22:05,740
anyway he he turned on the radio and

1973
01:22:11,070 --> 01:22:09,340
there was a radio play of king lear and

1974
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:11,080
without this very carefully you can hear

1975
01:22:16,170 --> 01:22:13,360
king lear kind of weaving in and out of

1976
01:22:19,170 --> 01:22:16,180
the outro of yeah yeah i know the owners

1977
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:19,180
serviceable villain is studious as to

1978
01:22:23,550 --> 01:22:21,010
the vices of thy mistresses badness with

1979
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:23,560
desire that exactly is that i didn't

1980
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:24,880
know it came from the radio i knew it

1981
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:26,170
was Lear but I didn't I didn't know it

1982
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:27,970
was a recording turning radio on and

1983
01:22:31,500 --> 01:22:29,890
that was what was on the radio that was

1984
01:22:33,630 --> 01:22:31,510
live that was like a synchronistic

1985
01:22:36,030 --> 01:22:33,640
recording which which I just love that

1986
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:36,040
that story mm-hmm yeah but my wife

1987
01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:37,930
actually bought the entire Sergeant

1988
01:22:41,070 --> 01:22:39,280
Pepper set we've been listening to all

1989
01:22:42,570 --> 01:22:41,080
the outtakes and all that the vinyl

1990
01:22:44,730 --> 01:22:42,580
we've been listening to the vinyl it's

1991
01:22:46,770 --> 01:22:44,740
it's a beautiful package yeah yeah just

1992
01:22:48,900 --> 01:22:46,780
came out last week I think yeah we got

1993
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:48,910
it on Saturday morning it came and

1994
01:22:55,650 --> 01:22:51,970
doesn't have the DVD of the making of uh

1995
01:22:57,450 --> 01:22:55,660
yes yeah Manik I can't really want to

1996
01:22:58,620 --> 01:22:57,460
see that yeah I got to listen to it with

1997
01:23:00,720 --> 01:22:58,630
headphones we've been listening to the

1998
01:23:02,550 --> 01:23:00,730
vinyl like on the on the stereo out in

1999
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:02,560
the living room but I want to actually

2000
01:23:06,300 --> 01:23:04,330
get sit down with some headphones and

2001
01:23:09,150 --> 01:23:06,310
really listen to it this is in George

2002
01:23:12,330 --> 01:23:09,160
Martin's son remixed it yeah Giles

2003
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:12,340
yields Martin now one thing I noticed

2004
01:23:16,290 --> 01:23:13,570
which is something that Paul McCartney

2005
01:23:20,910 --> 01:23:16,300
said in an interview about it and that

2006
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:20,920
is they were influenced by spontaneous

2007
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:24,010
things like what was that if you get my

2008
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:26,010
point something weird happens in the

2009
01:23:30,979 --> 01:23:28,560
or they hear a weird sound or somebody

2010
01:23:33,350 --> 01:23:30,989
threads the tape backwards and suddenly

2011
01:23:34,700 --> 01:23:33,360
it's playing in Reverse they hear that

2012
01:23:36,830 --> 01:23:34,710
and say yeah let's do something with

2013
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:36,840
that really good qualities psychedelics

2014
01:23:41,660 --> 01:23:39,210
really really are very creatively

2015
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:41,670
inspiring yeah is that that also helped

2016
01:23:46,550 --> 01:23:44,489
that certainly also helped and then

2017
01:23:48,380 --> 01:23:46,560
there was this comment from McCartney

2018
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:48,390
that I read where to come up with

2019
01:23:53,870 --> 01:23:51,450
Sergeant Pepper and he said that he was

2020
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:53,880
flying in a plane with their roadie your

2021
01:23:59,570 --> 01:23:56,489
head roadie yeah and he said salt and

2022
01:24:02,150 --> 01:23:59,580
pepper and McCartney repeated back to

2023
01:24:04,490 --> 01:24:02,160
him sergeant pepper don't know if it's

2024
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:04,500
true but that's what he said yeah I

2025
01:24:08,630 --> 01:24:06,570
think a lot of this meant about guard

2026
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:08,640
stuff it's been discussed you know

2027
01:24:12,140 --> 01:24:10,800
extensively that McCartney was into

2028
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:12,150
Stockhausen and all kinds of

2029
01:24:16,490 --> 01:24:14,130
experimental music and sound and he

2030
01:24:17,890 --> 01:24:16,500
brought a lot of this into the studio a

2031
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:17,900
lot of people would think it might be

2032
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:20,370
Lennon but it was a lot of those other

2033
01:24:22,670 --> 01:24:21,210
content loops

2034
01:24:25,460 --> 01:24:22,680
yeah his yeah you're right Lee his

2035
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:25,470
influence I think there was also at this

2036
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:28,170
point some resentment to McCartney

2037
01:24:33,530 --> 01:24:30,930
because he controlled the sessions very

2038
01:24:36,050 --> 01:24:33,540
much so it was his thing that everybody

2039
01:24:37,970 --> 01:24:36,060
else participated in and that might have

2040
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:37,980
been one of the early days of resentment

2041
01:24:42,860 --> 01:24:40,800
but supposedly before they did Sergeant

2042
01:24:45,140 --> 01:24:42,870
Pepper they were actually talking about

2043
01:24:47,060 --> 01:24:45,150
just giving up the Beatles thing you

2044
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:47,070
know this is it coming a new band with

2045
01:24:53,810 --> 01:24:49,530
alter egos yeah exactly

2046
01:24:56,660 --> 01:24:53,820
there's a letter in the nude package if

2047
01:24:58,580 --> 01:24:56,670
you get it from I think a journalist or

2048
01:24:59,780 --> 01:24:58,590
somebody saying I've heard the Beatles

2049
01:25:01,280 --> 01:24:59,790
are going to break up because they're

2050
01:25:02,870 --> 01:25:01,290
saying they want to do something you

2051
01:25:05,300 --> 01:25:02,880
know that they don't want to be in their

2052
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:05,310
personas anymore and their this press

2053
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:07,050
guy was really worried that the Beatles

2054
01:25:09,650 --> 01:25:08,400
were going to break up because he'd

2055
01:25:14,300 --> 01:25:09,660
heard this rumor that they wanted to

2056
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:14,310
change things well I still say that if

2057
01:25:19,580 --> 01:25:16,850
you look at Rubber Soul revolver

2058
01:25:21,500 --> 01:25:19,590
Sergeant Pepper and magical mystery tour

2059
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:21,510
those are probably the four most

2060
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:24,960
kick-ass progressive paradigm-shifting

2061
01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:27,530
albums ever in a row by any rock man

2062
01:25:31,940 --> 01:25:30,000
yeah what's weird about it is that it's

2063
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:31,950
somebody pointed this out it's that

2064
01:25:35,060 --> 01:25:33,330
they're one of the few bands that were

2065
01:25:37,100 --> 01:25:35,070
able to reinvent themselves and be

2066
01:25:39,660 --> 01:25:37,110
innovative and not lose their audience

2067
01:25:41,490 --> 01:25:39,670
and their popularity

2068
01:25:44,370 --> 01:25:41,500
becoming incredibly even more relevant

2069
01:25:46,169 --> 01:25:44,380
than than they already were but but you

2070
01:25:46,919 --> 01:25:46,179
know I think it's interesting that it

2071
01:25:48,660 --> 01:25:46,929
dovetails

2072
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:48,670
you know rubber soles when they were

2073
01:25:55,650 --> 01:25:53,410
first really turned onto pot and in

2074
01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:55,660
cannabis you know and that sort of

2075
01:26:00,750 --> 01:25:57,850
yesterday today the butcher babies into

2076
01:26:02,370 --> 01:26:00,760
well the the kind of Rubber Soul period

2077
01:26:03,959 --> 01:26:02,380
and then and then right at the end of

2078
01:26:06,419 --> 01:26:03,969
the rubber sole sessions it would turned

2079
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:06,429
on to LSD and of course you know the

2080
01:26:12,270 --> 01:26:10,330
famous Tomorrow Never Knows rendition is

2081
01:26:14,340 --> 01:26:12,280
a direct product of that dr. Roberts is

2082
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:14,350
a story of being dosed by their by their

2083
01:26:19,050 --> 01:26:16,810
dentist and then going into revolver and

2084
01:26:22,250 --> 01:26:19,060
then you have an incredible leap forward

2085
01:26:25,490 --> 01:26:22,260
in songwriting a prowess and and

2086
01:26:28,890 --> 01:26:25,500
integrating sound effects and and and

2087
01:26:31,530 --> 01:26:28,900
almost a radio play sort of quality a

2088
01:26:34,020 --> 01:26:31,540
very theatrical quality to the music and

2089
01:26:36,060 --> 01:26:34,030
then of course from revolver into

2090
01:26:37,740 --> 01:26:36,070
Sergeant Pepper and then a lot of the

2091
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:37,750
leftovers from the prepper sessions

2092
01:26:40,860 --> 01:26:39,250
actually went on their magical mystery

2093
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:40,870
tour album Penny Lane

2094
01:26:46,650 --> 01:26:44,770
you know Strawberry Fields and and I am

2095
01:26:49,860 --> 01:26:46,660
The Walrus so the three songs that come

2096
01:26:52,050 --> 01:26:49,870
to mind but but a lot of that was all

2097
01:26:54,300 --> 01:26:52,060
due to their to their use of

2098
01:26:57,090 --> 01:26:54,310
psychedelics and and even they admitted

2099
01:26:59,610 --> 01:26:57,100
it and it's funny how their albums went

2100
01:27:01,800 --> 01:26:59,620
you know kind of downhill from then when

2101
01:27:03,570 --> 01:27:01,810
they could when they got off the

2102
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:03,580
psychedelics they release some of their

2103
01:27:09,180 --> 01:27:06,250
Rost albums and then of course the Abbey

2104
01:27:11,700 --> 01:27:09,190
Road was their last kind of swan song to

2105
01:27:14,939 --> 01:27:11,710
make it all all seem worthwhile but

2106
01:27:18,090 --> 01:27:14,949
what's your take on the White Album just

2107
01:27:21,090 --> 01:27:18,100
a loose collection of songs oh just kind

2108
01:27:22,979 --> 01:27:21,100
of no real everything's willy nilly a

2109
01:27:25,919 --> 01:27:22,989
lot of stuff little ditties that they

2110
01:27:29,550 --> 01:27:25,929
wrote in India of dear Prudence bungalow

2111
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:29,560
bill ballad or rocky raccoon all those

2112
01:27:34,290 --> 01:27:31,449
were songs that they just they just kind

2113
01:27:35,459 --> 01:27:34,300
of banged off in wrote in in India and

2114
01:27:39,959 --> 01:27:35,469
then came back and recorded them

2115
01:27:41,610 --> 01:27:39,969
properly a boy separately yeah a lot of

2116
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:41,620
it separately yeah they weren't even in

2117
01:27:44,910 --> 01:27:42,880
the studio in fact the other Beatles

2118
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:44,920
didn't even know that George Harrison

2119
01:27:48,330 --> 01:27:46,810
didn't play the lead on while my guitar

2120
01:27:50,490 --> 01:27:48,340
gently we've said he actually had

2121
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:50,500
Clapton come in and the other Beatles

2122
01:27:54,050 --> 01:27:52,210
didn't know and they were really ticked

2123
01:27:56,670 --> 01:27:54,060
off with me

2124
01:27:59,580 --> 01:27:56,680
da-jung the person who described the

2125
01:28:02,190 --> 01:27:59,590
album sets like John and the band and

2126
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:02,200
Paul in the band and George in the band

2127
01:28:08,580 --> 01:28:04,330
because each one emphasized their own

2128
01:28:10,020 --> 01:28:08,590
personal stuff yeah yeah yeah good good

2129
01:28:14,990 --> 01:28:10,030
that's a pretty good

2130
01:28:19,140 --> 01:28:15,000
I think summation but you know again I

2131
01:28:20,780 --> 01:28:19,150
think after Brian Epstein died they were

2132
01:28:23,730 --> 01:28:20,790
a ship without a rudder and

2133
01:28:26,310 --> 01:28:23,740
unfortunately I think it was the the

2134
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:26,320
power the the power struggle I think

2135
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:28,570
that then ensued after that to fill that

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real the whole business thing with Apple

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wanted - oh that that's right Klein was

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yeah with Lennon Ringo and Harrison and

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then the East one's got their own

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attorney right no I just read the the

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Paul McCartney biography I can't

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remember who wrote it uh big fat like

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through it yeah I read that when it came

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out a few years ago I'm very good yeah

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he also wrote one of Lennon on Lennon -

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right table Ghostman I don't think it

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was Albert Grossman I can't he wrote the

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John Lennon would come into I think wne

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interviews quite often and he was

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paraphrasing what Lennon said I bet this

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interviews online somewhere he said he

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didn't realize as Spector was a nutcase

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hi this is Joshua p1 author of the poor

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the para cast the gold standard of

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paranormal radio so the Beatles Sergeant

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Pepper I got that album one day before

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it officially went on sale it was 50

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years ago today as a matter of fact

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we're doing this show on June 1st so

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you're right I can't remember what the

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day what was it June first I thought it

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was on like you know June 1st really

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right in the US it came out a week

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earlier in England I think okay Philip

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Norman was the biographer I read Paul

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McCartney the life by Philip Norman yep

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I read that actually a while ago it's a

2310
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good book it's a little sanitized is

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that yeah just hartney approved of it

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well I love the part about him getting

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into Stockhausen and Harry parch

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all the real super progressive Phillips

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uh T Terry read I love all that stuff

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and because I always thought it was

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Lennon rut was the real avant-garde you

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know because of his association with

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Yoko but as it turns out no it was all

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the backwards tapes and all that kind of

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Loony stuff that they came up with in

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the studio a lot of it was McCartney

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most of it enough of the Beatles ladies

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and gentlemen let's go how we got off on

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that we can't top the Beatles let's go

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back to the paranormal how's that let's

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do that fine by me

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very good just a brief and I talked by

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the way speaking of things are happening

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Don Ecker has announced that he is not

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going to produce any more episodes of

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Dark Matters radio but he still has the

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shows online we've got a dark matters

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for him over the power cast so if you

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want to check the archives it's there

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there you go

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I'm sorry to hear that I guess had

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reached the time where you know maybe he

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felt that he couldn't do it any longer

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it's like me in computer books one day I

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woke up and I was writing all these

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books about computers

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and it was that time when publishers

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were cutting back advances weren't as

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high and I reached a point saying I just

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can't do this anymore oh well there you

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go anyway we hope that Don Ecker will

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certainly rejoin us from time to time

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the para cast and we wish him good luck

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in his future pursuits who has continued

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too many distractions with the station

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going down and all that a few people

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including myself offered to help him set

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up his own station but it involves it

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01:37:49,260 --> 01:37:47,530
took me about a month or two to figure

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out everything to try and get my podcast

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set up properly so that's completely

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done by me controlled by nobody else and

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I just pay a little fee each month to

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have that address for the for the

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broadcast be assigned specifically to me

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so yeah Don if you hear this I'll help

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you out if you need it let's continue

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here and I think it's the big question

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we ask as we look at the state of the

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UFO field and the first part is goes

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back to the early discussion about

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Roswell what portion of all those early

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cases that really started everybody

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going on this quest what portion of

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those cases were just something else

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government experiments things like that

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how much did that influence some of the

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early sightings that launched everybody

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into UFO dome Gregg mmm I don't know I

2376
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almost you know you're saying I'm

2377
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thinking what I care about is the cases

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that seem to have been affecting people

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on a very basic level a very personal

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level and that that were not explained

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by these other things you're talking

2382
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about and it'd be interesting to see

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over the course of you know the the

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decades how people described what

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their lives and I would venture to say

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it was much different in the 1950s than

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it is now

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way different and that's according to a

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lot of factors personal factors but

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Saito factors most importantly and how

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people look at the subject what they

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think and all that because that affects

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deeply I think how people experience

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that they're they're back rounding that

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would be interesting to me the fact you

2397
01:39:48,810 --> 01:39:46,570
know what's explained what was you know

2398
01:39:51,030 --> 01:39:48,820
secret government whatever that that

2399
01:39:52,650 --> 01:39:51,040
doesn't concern me personally as much

2400
01:39:53,970 --> 01:39:52,660
anymore although it does I don't mind if

2401
01:39:57,570 --> 01:39:53,980
it concerns other people like to see

2402
01:39:59,160 --> 01:39:57,580
what they think because that that I've

2403
01:40:00,660 --> 01:39:59,170
said this I think before on your show

2404
01:40:05,060 --> 01:40:00,670
that I think the most important question

2405
01:40:08,700 --> 01:40:05,070
right now is what causes UFO reports

2406
01:40:13,140 --> 01:40:08,710
good question so what does cause UFO

2407
01:40:14,850 --> 01:40:13,150
reports aliens yeah who knows what

2408
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:14,860
causes them that's what I'd like to find

2409
01:40:21,150 --> 01:40:18,010
out what causes a UFO report that

2410
01:40:24,980 --> 01:40:21,160
remains as most people would accept it

2411
01:40:28,380 --> 01:40:24,990
unexplained and if it's unexplained

2412
01:40:31,410 --> 01:40:28,390
where you know which threat do we follow

2413
01:40:34,530 --> 01:40:31,420
towards an explanation and at this point

2414
01:40:37,050 --> 01:40:34,540
I think the explanation has to do a lot

2415
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:37,060
with us and very little with whatever is

2416
01:40:45,150 --> 01:40:40,090
causing the report so I think when I say

2417
01:40:48,140 --> 01:40:45,160
what causes UFO reports I think you know

2418
01:40:50,790 --> 01:40:48,150
probably a large percentage of it is

2419
01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:50,800
what happens when somebody has a weird

2420
01:40:56,510 --> 01:40:53,920
experience what happens in their minds

2421
01:40:59,280 --> 01:40:56,520
what happens in their local environment

2422
01:41:01,800 --> 01:40:59,290
how do they remember it how do they

2423
01:41:03,570 --> 01:41:01,810
describe it to other people how does

2424
01:41:07,980 --> 01:41:03,580
their you know how does their visual

2425
01:41:10,890 --> 01:41:07,990
psychological neurological system react

2426
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:10,900
to a strange phenomena and how does that

2427
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:13,890
turn into what we know is a UFO report

2428
01:41:20,070 --> 01:41:16,090
those I think to me those are the

2429
01:41:22,340 --> 01:41:20,080
important questions now I'm going to

2430
01:41:26,010 --> 01:41:22,350
find out a new fun

2431
01:41:27,630 --> 01:41:26,020
sighting report for him yeah you're not

2432
01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:27,640
going to find that on a sighting report

2433
01:41:31,890 --> 01:41:30,250
form and maybe that's you know maybe

2434
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:31,900
that's why all that has to be done away

2435
01:41:35,910 --> 01:41:33,970
with and stop taking reports and just

2436
01:41:37,080 --> 01:41:35,920
start talking to people I think most

2437
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:37,090
people when they give

2438
01:41:40,890 --> 01:41:38,290
a report they just want somebody to

2439
01:41:42,089 --> 01:41:40,900
listen to what happened to them no you

2440
01:41:43,830 --> 01:41:42,099
know they don't want to come and say

2441
01:41:45,089 --> 01:41:43,840
look I saw this thing and you know it's

2442
01:41:46,770 --> 01:41:45,099
important that it get out to the press

2443
01:41:48,629 --> 01:41:46,780
and that uh they don't care about that

2444
01:41:50,189 --> 01:41:48,639
what they care about is I got to express

2445
01:41:52,140 --> 01:41:50,199
this really weird thing that happened to

2446
01:41:53,550 --> 01:41:52,150
me to somebody with a sympathetic ear or

2447
01:41:58,850 --> 01:41:53,560
at least one that's not going to call me

2448
01:42:01,890 --> 01:41:58,860
a nut right and I don't know how you can

2449
01:42:04,620 --> 01:42:01,900
you can categorize that well that is

2450
01:42:06,419 --> 01:42:04,630
also a request for validation yeah

2451
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:06,429
exactly want someone to come out there

2452
01:42:11,550 --> 01:42:09,010
and say yeah you're not crazy

2453
01:42:13,890 --> 01:42:11,560
you saw something which of course

2454
01:42:15,709 --> 01:42:13,900
unfortunately influences the way the

2455
01:42:18,629 --> 01:42:15,719
data is collected

2456
01:42:19,890 --> 01:42:18,639
yes exactly you got a UFO investigator

2457
01:42:21,180 --> 01:42:19,900
going out what do you think the hell

2458
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:21,190
what do you think people are gonna say

2459
01:42:26,339 --> 01:42:24,010
to UFO investigator well that I saw UFO

2460
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:26,349
with a you know the popular idea about

2461
01:42:30,359 --> 01:42:28,090
what these things are is going to be

2462
01:42:32,070 --> 01:42:30,369
filtered back through them saying

2463
01:42:33,629 --> 01:42:32,080
something to a UFO investigator that

2464
01:42:36,089 --> 01:42:33,639
they think the investigator wants to

2465
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:36,099
hear and maybe pare it back to them in a

2466
01:42:39,689 --> 01:42:37,810
way that says this is about like Jeanne

2467
01:42:42,780 --> 01:42:39,699
said this is validated you really did

2468
01:42:44,459 --> 01:42:42,790
see something and unfortunately it's

2469
01:42:46,290 --> 01:42:44,469
going to be parroted back and you really

2470
01:42:47,910 --> 01:42:46,300
did see something and it's aliens coming

2471
01:42:51,359 --> 01:42:47,920
from other planets in structured craft

2472
01:42:53,100 --> 01:42:51,369
in fact I don't know if witnesses would

2473
01:42:55,050 --> 01:42:53,110
be happy if you came out there and said

2474
01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:55,060
I don't know what you saw I don't know

2475
01:42:58,350 --> 01:42:56,770
if it's from another planet I don't even

2476
01:42:59,430 --> 01:42:58,360
know what the explanation is I just want

2477
01:43:01,709 --> 01:42:59,440
to hear what you have to say about it

2478
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:01,719
but unfortunately I think that's what

2479
01:43:06,660 --> 01:43:03,489
they should be doing but I've said that

2480
01:43:09,930 --> 01:43:06,670
actually quite a number of times people

2481
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:09,940
say well what do you care for it's like

2482
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:11,770
that's a really good question Farmer

2483
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:14,650
Brown they're just I'm really interested

2484
01:43:20,459 --> 01:43:18,610
in how this experience sort of impacted

2485
01:43:22,740 --> 01:43:20,469
you how did it change your thinking

2486
01:43:24,689 --> 01:43:22,750
do you believe things differently now

2487
01:43:27,169 --> 01:43:24,699
than you did before the experience I

2488
01:43:29,510 --> 01:43:27,179
mean that was that it was a societal

2489
01:43:31,919 --> 01:43:29,520
programming aspect of it that has always

2490
01:43:33,899 --> 01:43:31,929
interested me I you know I've been

2491
01:43:36,300 --> 01:43:33,909
saying for years the experience is more

2492
01:43:38,399 --> 01:43:36,310
like the experiencer is more important

2493
01:43:40,020 --> 01:43:38,409
than the experience and it's it's

2494
01:43:43,020 --> 01:43:40,030
actually kind of gratifying to hear the

2495
01:43:46,649 --> 01:43:43,030
guy who invented the whole concept of

2496
01:43:48,330 --> 01:43:46,659
data crunching in ufology Jacques brulee

2497
01:43:50,010 --> 01:43:48,340
of all people to come out and say well I

2498
01:43:51,450 --> 01:43:50,020
don't think maybe

2499
01:43:55,260 --> 01:43:51,460
a mining is going to get us anywhere

2500
01:43:57,510 --> 01:43:55,270
it's it's really you know defecation for

2501
01:44:00,090 --> 01:43:57,520
this process which is what I'm getting

2502
01:44:01,290 --> 01:44:00,100
from you Gregg that he said it was like

2503
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:01,300
you know the whole garbage in garbage

2504
01:44:05,730 --> 01:44:03,970
out argument which I've always used it's

2505
01:44:08,460 --> 01:44:05,740
like you know I'm so proud of my

2506
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:08,470
database because it was gathered very

2507
01:44:14,580 --> 01:44:10,330
stringently by by yours truly

2508
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:14,590
um so I'm confident in the accuracy and

2509
01:44:19,650 --> 01:44:17,050
in the you know the possible usefulness

2510
01:44:22,500 --> 01:44:19,660
that it might might bring somebody and

2511
01:44:24,450 --> 01:44:22,510
it's consistent there is no consistency

2512
01:44:27,900 --> 01:44:24,460
when you're trying to dovetail and

2513
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:27,910
collate and coalesce different style

2514
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:30,250
databases together it's impossible to

2515
01:44:36,060 --> 01:44:32,650
come up with with any sort of valuable

2516
01:44:37,890 --> 01:44:36,070
information other than just rough trends

2517
01:44:40,650 --> 01:44:37,900
maybe days of the week time of the day

2518
01:44:42,930 --> 01:44:40,660
that sort of thing you may be able to

2519
01:44:44,370 --> 01:44:42,940
come up with some patterning but again

2520
01:44:46,290 --> 01:44:44,380
it all looks like when people are

2521
01:44:48,260 --> 01:44:46,300
outside having to be looking up that's

2522
01:44:50,730 --> 01:44:48,270
when you get more sightings if there's

2523
01:44:53,250 --> 01:44:50,740
fireworks shows around the fourth of

2524
01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:53,260
July you see a big spike you see a big

2525
01:44:59,580 --> 01:44:55,330
spike around any sort of lunar or solar

2526
01:45:02,460 --> 01:44:59,590
eclipse anytime that there's um you know

2527
01:45:05,490 --> 01:45:02,470
any sort of celestial event like a Hale

2528
01:45:07,650 --> 01:45:05,500
Bopp of course who comes to mind or

2529
01:45:10,500 --> 01:45:07,660
Kohoutek they're there if you look at

2530
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:10,510
the appearance of comets so you see a

2531
01:45:15,660 --> 01:45:13,210
spike in in reports because people are

2532
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:15,670
looking up in the air you know that

2533
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:17,290
that's really important to remember that

2534
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:19,930
you have to be able to you know you have

2535
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:22,090
to look up in the air to be able to see

2536
01:45:24,780 --> 01:45:22,570
something

2537
01:45:27,450 --> 01:45:24,790
let's look up at this for a moment we'll

2538
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:27,460
get back with more with Greg Bishop gene

2539
01:45:34,850 --> 01:45:38,820
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2540
01:45:46,879 --> 01:45:42,160
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2541
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2547
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2548
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2549
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2559
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2560
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2561
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2562
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2563
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2564
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2565
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2591
01:48:03,820 --> 01:47:59,480
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2592
01:48:13,190 --> 01:48:03,830
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2593
01:48:15,620 --> 01:48:13,200
here's Jane Steinberg no Greg Bishop is

2594
01:48:18,440 --> 01:48:15,630
not a quack oh that's good to know

2595
01:48:24,710 --> 01:48:18,450
he just plays one on radio Greg blank

2596
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:24,720
Bishop it sound like Mel Blanc yeah I

2597
01:48:30,020 --> 01:48:27,810
accept that Mel blind didn't yeah but

2598
01:48:31,790 --> 01:48:30,030
sure but he didn't do Donald Duck that's

2599
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:31,800
the one he didn't do you know it's on

2600
01:48:37,250 --> 01:48:36,690
his gravestone yeah I do but that's all

2601
01:48:40,610 --> 01:48:37,260
folks

2602
01:48:42,650 --> 01:48:40,620
all it says

2603
01:48:44,150 --> 01:48:42,660
I didn't man about anything voices it

2604
01:48:45,890 --> 01:48:44,160
might say that on there too I think

2605
01:48:47,900 --> 01:48:45,900
you're right at the his grave it's like

2606
01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:47,910
I'm like two miles from my house at the

2607
01:48:53,120 --> 01:48:51,570
Hollywood Forever Cemetery so I take

2608
01:48:53,480 --> 01:48:53,130
people on tours there when they come to

2609
01:48:55,100 --> 01:48:53,490
visit

2610
01:48:56,210 --> 01:48:55,110
have you come to town and you see me

2611
01:48:58,190 --> 01:48:56,220
I'll take you to the Hollywood Forever

2612
01:49:01,670 --> 01:48:58,200
Cemetery two of the Ramones are buried

2613
01:49:04,520 --> 01:49:01,680
there to Johnny and Joey I think so yeah

2614
01:49:08,210 --> 01:49:04,530
yeah Dee Dee's probably uh undisplaced

2615
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:08,220
um circus sideshow yeah no I don't think

2616
01:49:12,740 --> 01:49:09,600
Joey's buried there I can't remember

2617
01:49:15,530 --> 01:49:12,750
maybe it is Dee Dee and Johnny Johnny

2618
01:49:16,940 --> 01:49:15,540
has a rave he has a big monument with

2619
01:49:19,220 --> 01:49:16,950
him coming out of the thing and in

2620
01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:19,230
Granite playing his guitar it's very fun

2621
01:49:23,120 --> 01:49:21,360
yeah that's pretty famous actually I

2622
01:49:27,730 --> 01:49:23,130
took Nick there he had a religious

2623
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:30,170
good you should have had him get up on

2624
01:49:37,550 --> 01:49:32,400
the back of the the the statue and take

2625
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:37,560
his picture right yeah he would have

2626
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:39,840
enjoyed it and of course they're talking

2627
01:49:45,410 --> 01:49:41,850
about our old friend Nick Redfern there

2628
01:49:50,030 --> 01:49:45,420
but yeah that and the para mania group I

2629
01:49:52,760 --> 01:49:50,040
took there too and then we had fun yeah

2630
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:52,770
oh boy well we're getting off into music

2631
01:49:57,440 --> 01:49:54,810
again we just can't help ourselves well

2632
01:49:59,120 --> 01:49:57,450
I guess gene can back us back into the

2633
01:50:00,770 --> 01:49:59,130
subject at hand or whatever subject well

2634
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:00,780
yeah I could do that what what is your

2635
01:50:05,330 --> 01:50:02,730
chapter about in Robbie's new book it's

2636
01:50:07,330 --> 01:50:05,340
called here let me read it out of the

2637
01:50:09,170 --> 01:50:07,340
book I got on a Saturday morning

2638
01:50:11,410 --> 01:50:09,180
significantly sergeant

2639
01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:11,420
peppers came at 9:00 in the morning and

2640
01:50:17,780 --> 01:50:13,650
UFOs were framing the debate game at

2641
01:50:20,740 --> 01:50:17,790
10:00 in the morning on my doorstep Mike

2642
01:50:23,300 --> 01:50:20,750
chapter is called and it's a very big

2643
01:50:26,060 --> 01:50:23,310
overblown title the co-creation

2644
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:26,070
hypothesis human perception the

2645
01:50:30,470 --> 01:50:27,930
informational universe and the overhaul

2646
01:50:32,330 --> 01:50:30,480
of UFO research I think I might want to

2647
01:50:35,270 --> 01:50:32,340
chain take off that overhaul of UFO

2648
01:50:37,250 --> 01:50:35,280
research part off but there we are and I

2649
01:50:39,620 --> 01:50:37,260
can't even remember what it's about okay

2650
01:50:41,780 --> 01:50:39,630
I remember what it's about it's a lot of

2651
01:50:43,370 --> 01:50:41,790
stuff I've been saying here but it's

2652
01:50:47,240 --> 01:50:43,380
basically saying you know let's step

2653
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:47,250
back let's listen to the witnesses let's

2654
01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:49,290
realize that there's more going on in a

2655
01:50:53,780 --> 01:50:51,360
close encounter much more going on

2656
01:50:56,150 --> 01:50:53,790
between a witness and the witness in a

2657
01:50:57,950 --> 01:50:56,160
close encounter 500 feet or less that is

2658
01:51:00,190 --> 01:50:57,960
going on in a simple sighting where you

2659
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:00,200
see something flying through the sky and

2660
01:51:08,030 --> 01:51:04,050
probably most importantly for me in this

2661
01:51:09,620 --> 01:51:08,040
essay what I mentioned before we have to

2662
01:51:12,380 --> 01:51:09,630
look at the instrument that is receiving

2663
01:51:14,150 --> 01:51:12,390
UFO reports us I don't even think we

2664
01:51:16,460 --> 01:51:14,160
realize exactly how that instrument

2665
01:51:17,750 --> 01:51:16,470
works all the time and it's not it's not

2666
01:51:21,650 --> 01:51:17,760
a tape recorder it's not a video

2667
01:51:24,950 --> 01:51:21,660
recorder it's subject to our memories

2668
01:51:28,280 --> 01:51:24,960
our prejudices our emotions our cultural

2669
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:28,290
cueing our evolutionary heritage that's

2670
01:51:34,580 --> 01:51:32,850
very important how we perceive time how

2671
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:34,590
we tell stories to ourselves and others

2672
01:51:39,230 --> 01:51:37,290
and the last part of the essay I talk

2673
01:51:43,970 --> 01:51:39,240
about information theory and how that

2674
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:43,980
might be a an important aspect of what's

2675
01:51:50,120 --> 01:51:47,330
going on with when we theorize about

2676
01:51:53,150 --> 01:51:50,130
what UFOs are how we see them how we

2677
01:51:55,820 --> 01:51:53,160
experience them etc so that that is the

2678
01:51:59,030 --> 01:51:55,830
extent of the SA of whatever it is came

2679
01:52:01,280 --> 01:51:59,040
out to like 50 500 or 6,000 words or

2680
01:52:05,620 --> 01:52:01,290
something though so if people though are

2681
01:52:10,970 --> 01:52:05,630
still chasing after aliens how do you

2682
01:52:13,070 --> 01:52:10,980
get them off that train I can however

2683
01:52:14,510 --> 01:52:13,080
that's what somebody said about the book

2684
01:52:16,790 --> 01:52:14,520
it's like you know what do you know what

2685
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:16,800
did we expect this book to do you know

2686
01:52:19,670 --> 01:52:17,850
it's not going to change anybody's mind

2687
01:52:22,330 --> 01:52:19,680
and said I don't think the purpose of

2688
01:52:24,310 --> 01:52:22,340
the book is to change people's minds

2689
01:52:27,399 --> 01:52:24,320
it's to reframe the debate that's the

2690
01:52:29,589 --> 01:52:27,409
title of the the thing it's if people

2691
01:52:32,589 --> 01:52:29,599
are open to these other ideas it

2692
01:52:35,620 --> 01:52:32,599
provides them an avenue to explore these

2693
01:52:37,540 --> 01:52:35,630
other ideas and what I really hope is

2694
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:37,550
take these ideas and push them further

2695
01:52:42,160 --> 01:52:39,290
and do things that people in this book

2696
01:52:44,470 --> 01:52:42,170
haven't even thought of yet it's it's

2697
01:52:45,910 --> 01:52:44,480
it's a catalyst I think I think the best

2698
01:52:48,220 --> 01:52:45,920
thing that could happen this book with

2699
01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:48,230
this book is to be a catalyst for people

2700
01:52:53,470 --> 01:52:50,690
to start thinking in different ways and

2701
01:52:55,629 --> 01:52:53,480
there are definite things in this book

2702
01:52:57,580 --> 01:52:55,639
where you can you know that research can

2703
01:52:59,680 --> 01:52:57,590
where research can take it a different

2704
01:53:02,020 --> 01:52:59,690
path Micah Hanks chapter is all about a

2705
01:53:04,780 --> 01:53:02,030
different classification system for UFO

2706
01:53:08,859 --> 01:53:04,790
reports that's one that's one example

2707
01:53:11,020 --> 01:53:08,869
Susan st. Claire's chapter is about the

2708
01:53:12,609 --> 01:53:11,030
paranormal and other other events that

2709
01:53:14,530 --> 01:53:12,619
considered to be paranormal and how they

2710
01:53:18,070 --> 01:53:14,540
relate to the UFO subject in people's

2711
01:53:19,330 --> 01:53:18,080
and witness experience and these are

2712
01:53:22,899 --> 01:53:19,340
just a couple of things could be done

2713
01:53:24,550 --> 01:53:22,909
because I when we were on a coast to

2714
01:53:29,020 --> 01:53:24,560
coast the other night Robby immediately

2715
01:53:33,459 --> 01:53:29,030
got hate mail like within 10 minutes of

2716
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:33,469
the show well that's it I said yeah well

2717
01:53:39,010 --> 01:53:36,050
you know what's so what whoever sent him

2718
01:53:40,930 --> 01:53:39,020
the hate mail has no clue about what's

2719
01:53:42,490 --> 01:53:40,940
going on here they're basically stuck in

2720
01:53:44,020 --> 01:53:42,500
I would like it's apparently to be

2721
01:53:46,359 --> 01:53:44,030
they're basically stuck in I want to

2722
01:53:49,570 --> 01:53:46,369
hear UFO porno and that's fine

2723
01:53:51,669 --> 01:53:49,580
you know I I lived on that for years but

2724
01:53:53,410 --> 01:53:51,679
at some point you if if you have if

2725
01:53:55,780 --> 01:53:53,420
you're inclined to you say well what's

2726
01:53:57,520 --> 01:53:55,790
behind all this stuff and what you know

2727
01:54:00,850 --> 01:53:57,530
what might be a different explanation or

2728
01:54:03,970 --> 01:54:00,860
what can we entertain besides the big

2729
01:54:06,010 --> 01:54:03,980
elephant in the room of the ETH can we

2730
01:54:09,669 --> 01:54:06,020
under entertain other ideas yes we can

2731
01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:09,679
and we should and the you know the lot

2732
01:54:14,470 --> 01:54:13,250
of you know some of the comments I hear

2733
01:54:16,419 --> 01:54:14,480
from people it's like you know that's

2734
01:54:17,950 --> 01:54:16,429
the psychological mumbo-jumbo is all

2735
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:17,960
well and fine but it's not really

2736
01:54:21,939 --> 01:54:20,090
talking about the the real thing that's

2737
01:54:23,830 --> 01:54:21,949
going on here and the real research that

2738
01:54:27,459 --> 01:54:23,840
can be done on this you know by

2739
01:54:29,649 --> 01:54:27,469
gathering data and all this I was

2740
01:54:31,330 --> 01:54:29,659
thinking while you were talking of an

2741
01:54:33,490 --> 01:54:31,340
article I read from Ray Palmer and his

2742
01:54:34,679 --> 01:54:33,500
flying saucers magazine back in the 50s

2743
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or 60s

2744
01:54:42,140 --> 01:54:39,189
and he said do Martian see UFOs but his

2745
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point of course in the argument was that

2746
01:54:49,109 --> 01:54:47,169
he felt UFOs were native to our

2747
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environment or something we perceive

2748
01:54:54,719 --> 01:54:51,820
here we're not perceiving them in outer

2749
01:54:57,509 --> 01:54:54,729
space and maybe there's some comparable

2750
01:55:00,350 --> 01:54:57,519
phenomenon that people on other worlds

2751
01:55:03,270 --> 01:55:00,360
might deal with and even if we discover

2752
01:55:08,129 --> 01:55:03,280
ironclad evidence that Proxima Centauri

2753
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has a planet that is inhabited possibly

2754
01:55:14,759 --> 01:55:11,229
by life as we know it that would never

2755
01:55:18,259 --> 01:55:14,769
solve the UFO mystery they may have

2756
01:55:21,179 --> 01:55:18,269
their own UFO mystery to deal with I

2757
01:55:24,120 --> 01:55:21,189
think that a lot of the problem here is

2758
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the way that our minds work is let us

2759
01:55:28,890 --> 01:55:27,249
come up with a model and then let's push

2760
01:55:32,909 --> 01:55:28,900
everything into that model let's see how

2761
01:55:34,799 --> 01:55:32,919
well it fits and the problem the problem

2762
01:55:36,629 --> 01:55:34,809
is that people get obsessed with

2763
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whatever model that they've they want to

2764
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shove out all the data into to the

2765
01:55:43,199 --> 01:55:41,079
exclusion of everything else what's

2766
01:55:46,439 --> 01:55:43,209
really hard and I'm trying to do this

2767
01:55:48,989 --> 01:55:46,449
with myself is to consider every model

2768
01:55:51,750 --> 01:55:48,999
possible consider a lot of possibilities

2769
01:55:54,810 --> 01:55:51,760
and see what might work not and not be

2770
01:55:56,129 --> 01:55:54,820
stuck in one of them you have to be

2771
01:55:57,600 --> 01:55:56,139
stuck in one of them while you're doing

2772
01:55:59,850 --> 01:55:57,610
work on them it's just the nature of it

2773
01:56:01,379 --> 01:55:59,860
but the problem is when an ego gets

2774
01:56:04,290 --> 01:56:01,389
involved and says this is the way that

2775
01:56:06,179 --> 01:56:04,300
things work that-that-that's I think

2776
01:56:08,939 --> 01:56:06,189
that's a mistake that the really hard

2777
01:56:11,669 --> 01:56:08,949
thing to do is to be as I think I said

2778
01:56:13,529 --> 01:56:11,679
that's in the essay complete interest in

2779
01:56:16,649 --> 01:56:13,539
total agnosticism I think that's a

2780
01:56:19,640 --> 01:56:16,659
really good I a mindset which is a tough

2781
01:56:21,359 --> 01:56:19,650
one to when you're going into this study

2782
01:56:24,500 --> 01:56:21,369
yeah absolutely

2783
01:56:26,219 --> 01:56:24,510
most people don't have the ability to

2784
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understand that they're not being

2785
01:56:30,689 --> 01:56:28,329
objective number one and then number two

2786
01:56:32,399 --> 01:56:30,699
to actually be objective and agnostic

2787
01:56:34,799 --> 01:56:32,409
about things and and really be

2788
01:56:36,989 --> 01:56:34,809
open-minded about all the the

2789
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permutations and then in the possible

2790
01:56:41,669 --> 01:56:39,309
the own different interpretations that a

2791
01:56:43,560 --> 01:56:41,679
single set of data even can you know it

2792
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can be interpreted in a variety of ways

2793
01:56:47,990 --> 01:56:45,390
and it kind of depends on

2794
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your front loading as I like to refer to

2795
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it as no the more your front loaded

2796
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bye-bye comic books by graphic novels by

2797
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TV by movies the less likely you are to

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be in a position to actually be

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effectively objective because you've

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been just totally fun loaded with by

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your culture which is not your friend

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culture is not your friend

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well at least x-files in their new

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incarnation has kind of abandoned their

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et theory I mean they still say that

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there was a roswell crash involving

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aliens but that our government

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participated in all the conspiracies

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after that it's all us it's not 80

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we got Greg Bishop we've got Chris

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O'Brien we've got Jean Steinberg more to

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Bishop has changed the culture in that

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way did you know that yeah actually when

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you have Robby on ask him about that he

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2922
02:02:32,070 --> 02:02:31,270
his first book is about silver-screen

2923
02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:32,080
saucers

2924
02:02:36,840 --> 02:02:35,530
yes I'm very good he's probably you know

2925
02:02:39,240 --> 02:02:36,850
I don't know about the world authority

2926
02:02:40,790 --> 02:02:39,250
but just about anybody would - would say

2927
02:02:44,220 --> 02:02:40,800
who would know about you know media

2928
02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:44,230
movies TV documentaries whatever we want

2929
02:02:49,470 --> 02:02:46,330
to call it and the UFO subject and how

2930
02:02:52,020 --> 02:02:49,480
they affect each other in a reflexive

2931
02:02:53,970 --> 02:02:52,030
fashion and Robbie would be the person

2932
02:02:57,680 --> 02:02:53,980
to ask about that I think that what the

2933
02:03:00,180 --> 02:02:57,690
x-files does and their writers do is

2934
02:03:01,310 --> 02:03:00,190
they do just what we all do we go

2935
02:03:04,290 --> 02:03:01,320
trolling the internet for information

2936
02:03:05,340 --> 02:03:04,300
when they see something that's at the

2937
02:03:08,160 --> 02:03:05,350
front of the curve they're going to

2938
02:03:09,750 --> 02:03:08,170
incorporate that into their story

2939
02:03:12,150 --> 02:03:09,760
structures and their their story arcs

2940
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:12,160
which is a good idea I mean I think

2941
02:03:18,030 --> 02:03:15,010
that's great but there is also if you're

2942
02:03:20,250 --> 02:03:18,040
really into the subject matter like us

2943
02:03:23,490 --> 02:03:20,260
three and most people listening to this

2944
02:03:24,570 --> 02:03:23,500
show you can go even farther than that I

2945
02:03:27,690 --> 02:03:24,580
mean there are things that cannot be

2946
02:03:29,280 --> 02:03:27,700
expressed in a TV show yet and I think a

2947
02:03:32,430 --> 02:03:29,290
lot of this comes up on your show in my

2948
02:03:35,610 --> 02:03:32,440
show and feel other people we know the

2949
02:03:38,280 --> 02:03:35,620
the thinking on the subject is is a lot

2950
02:03:40,170 --> 02:03:38,290
of it is not even ahead of the curve

2951
02:03:43,050 --> 02:03:40,180
it's just out away from the curve that

2952
02:03:45,210 --> 02:03:43,060
kind of stuff interests me yeah well you

2953
02:03:48,510 --> 02:03:45,220
also have the the interesting

2954
02:03:52,860 --> 02:03:48,520
correlation to that you see with the

2955
02:03:55,440 --> 02:03:52,870
release of ET theme the popular culture

2956
02:03:58,530 --> 02:03:55,450
like Close Encounters Day the Earth

2957
02:04:01,200 --> 02:03:58,540
Stood Still of the original if you'll

2958
02:04:04,320 --> 02:04:01,210
notice that you you tend to have more an

2959
02:04:07,380 --> 02:04:04,330
increased kind of intensity or a

2960
02:04:08,930 --> 02:04:07,390
sighting wave that seems to kind of

2961
02:04:13,880 --> 02:04:08,940
launch itself after

2962
02:04:17,300 --> 02:04:13,890
these popular et themed cultural you

2963
02:04:19,729 --> 02:04:17,310
know art if you will has been released

2964
02:04:22,850 --> 02:04:19,739
and embraced by the public then you tend

2965
02:04:26,209 --> 02:04:22,860
to see a corresponding rise in interest

2966
02:04:28,490 --> 02:04:26,219
in these subjects um which I think

2967
02:04:30,170 --> 02:04:28,500
Robbie does mention that in silver

2968
02:04:32,450 --> 02:04:30,180
screen saucers that there there tends to

2969
02:04:35,900 --> 02:04:32,460
be a bell curve that follows the release

2970
02:04:39,770 --> 02:04:35,910
of very popular sci-fi with alien alien

2971
02:04:42,860 --> 02:04:39,780
Moog motifs and in the end story

2972
02:04:45,020 --> 02:04:42,870
straight lines and and also there's a

2973
02:04:48,229 --> 02:04:45,030
rise when we get out of overseas

2974
02:04:52,189 --> 02:04:48,239
operations militarily there tends to be

2975
02:04:54,620 --> 02:04:52,199
a rise in in UFO activity and unusual

2976
02:04:57,850 --> 02:04:54,630
activity in the year or two following

2977
02:05:01,130 --> 02:04:57,860
the the drawdown from foreign theater

2978
02:05:03,470 --> 02:05:01,140
participation by the military just

2979
02:05:05,720 --> 02:05:03,480
coincidentally a change in the the

2980
02:05:07,700 --> 02:05:05,730
federal branch from one party to the

2981
02:05:10,250 --> 02:05:07,710
other party you tend to see an upsurge

2982
02:05:13,189 --> 02:05:10,260
in activity in the following a year or

2983
02:05:15,530 --> 02:05:13,199
two go figure and also the run-up to the

2984
02:05:17,750 --> 02:05:15,540
election there there tends to be a

2985
02:05:19,340 --> 02:05:17,760
little bit more activity in the run-up

2986
02:05:21,410 --> 02:05:19,350
of an election year when there's a

2987
02:05:24,110 --> 02:05:21,420
change of political power in the

2988
02:05:26,410 --> 02:05:24,120
executive branch there's a moon phase

2989
02:05:29,540 --> 02:05:26,420
correlation with the cattle mutilations

2990
02:05:31,340 --> 02:05:29,550
so getting back to the whole idea of

2991
02:05:33,530 --> 02:05:31,350
creative thinking I think people need to

2992
02:05:35,600 --> 02:05:33,540
you know to look at things from new in

2993
02:05:37,040 --> 02:05:35,610
different angles and get a little

2994
02:05:41,060 --> 02:05:37,050
oblique with your thinking and get

2995
02:05:43,910 --> 02:05:41,070
outside of that that confounded box that

2996
02:05:45,590 --> 02:05:43,920
we always talk about I like Kristen you

2997
02:05:47,689 --> 02:05:45,600
look at all of this from the side if you

2998
02:05:49,729 --> 02:05:47,699
can as a side word sideways glance

2999
02:05:51,260 --> 02:05:49,739
because you see things in the periphery

3000
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:51,270
of your vision if you look in the

3001
02:05:54,830 --> 02:05:53,010
periphery of your vision mentally I

3002
02:05:56,870 --> 02:05:54,840
think you'll pick up you'll pick up some

3003
02:05:58,700 --> 02:05:56,880
signals and they may mean something to

3004
02:06:00,410 --> 02:05:58,710
you and you may be able to communicate

3005
02:06:01,790 --> 02:06:00,420
that to other people and answer these

3006
02:06:03,290 --> 02:06:01,800
questions for yourself because

3007
02:06:05,060 --> 02:06:03,300
ultimately I think what we're doing the

3008
02:06:08,270 --> 02:06:05,070
UFO thing is answering questions for

3009
02:06:09,740 --> 02:06:08,280
ourselves maybe not for the society at

3010
02:06:13,160 --> 02:06:09,750
large or the collective but for

3011
02:06:16,540 --> 02:06:13,170
ourselves well the one thing you were

3012
02:06:19,610 --> 02:06:16,550
saying here about events occurring say

3013
02:06:20,609 --> 02:06:19,620
when a government changes or during an

3014
02:06:24,810 --> 02:06:20,619
election

3015
02:06:27,479 --> 02:06:24,820
now there's both optimism and anxiety

3016
02:06:30,330 --> 02:06:27,489
and I wonder if anxiety about how things

3017
02:06:33,839 --> 02:06:30,340
might change about the potential for

3018
02:06:38,159 --> 02:06:33,849
change might trigger some external

3019
02:06:39,989 --> 02:06:38,169
phenomenon at might um do you see what

3020
02:06:42,719 --> 02:06:39,999
Chris is saying here is everything he

3021
02:06:49,979 --> 02:06:42,729
was saying to me what Chris was saying

3022
02:06:53,279 --> 02:06:49,989
about the all these events that seem to

3023
02:06:57,060 --> 02:06:53,289
precipitate or precede a UFO sighting

3024
02:06:58,859 --> 02:06:57,070
wave what he's saying that and I say

3025
02:07:00,600 --> 02:06:58,869
that when I see a pattern and something

3026
02:07:03,989 --> 02:07:00,610
starts to excite me I'm immediately kind

3027
02:07:09,239 --> 02:07:03,999
of clink I'm buying into my own BS here

3028
02:07:11,250 --> 02:07:09,249
but apart from that what he was saying

3029
02:07:15,569 --> 02:07:11,260
there was all these things are human

3030
02:07:18,739 --> 02:07:15,579
things a change of regime and in the

3031
02:07:23,639 --> 02:07:18,749
White House military you know military

3032
02:07:26,129 --> 02:07:23,649
actions any any of these things even you

3033
02:07:28,379 --> 02:07:26,139
know faces the moon and all that we're

3034
02:07:31,560 --> 02:07:28,389
watching that stuff it's all centered on

3035
02:07:33,089 --> 02:07:31,570
us so you know how much you know how

3036
02:07:34,469 --> 02:07:33,099
come how can we pick ourselves out of

3037
02:07:36,389 --> 02:07:34,479
the equation to figure out what the

3038
02:07:39,419 --> 02:07:36,399
other thing is but that's what interests

3039
02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:39,429
me but yeah it's it every time we've

3040
02:07:45,569 --> 02:07:42,010
refer to this it seems to be on some

3041
02:07:47,219 --> 02:07:45,579
human centered scale which you know that

3042
02:07:50,279 --> 02:07:47,229
seems obvious to us but I think we have

3043
02:07:52,379 --> 02:07:50,289
to realize that when we're studying the

3044
02:07:53,489 --> 02:07:52,389
subject that we can our take our we

3045
02:07:55,709 --> 02:07:53,499
cannot take ourselves out of the

3046
02:08:00,270 --> 02:07:55,719
equation maybe because we're part of it

3047
02:08:02,040 --> 02:08:00,280
the phenomenon is a part of us well

3048
02:08:04,799 --> 02:08:02,050
that's that's Greg's whole chapter in

3049
02:08:07,949 --> 02:08:04,809
the new shirt Robby Graham book because

3050
02:08:10,139 --> 02:08:07,959
the co-created aspect of ufology which

3051
02:08:13,199 --> 02:08:10,149
is really been given short shrift not

3052
02:08:15,779 --> 02:08:13,209
enough people realize that this is a

3053
02:08:18,239 --> 02:08:15,789
reflective phenomenon and that we are as

3054
02:08:22,169 --> 02:08:18,249
important to the process as whatever it

3055
02:08:24,689 --> 02:08:22,179
is from the outside coming in yeah and

3056
02:08:29,159 --> 02:08:24,699
you know the one of the big questions is

3057
02:08:31,349 --> 02:08:29,169
you know how much of us is in there and

3058
02:08:33,299 --> 02:08:31,359
as I say in my essay you could be

3059
02:08:35,229 --> 02:08:33,309
complete it could be almost nothing to

3060
02:08:38,209 --> 02:08:35,239
almost everything

3061
02:08:41,200 --> 02:08:38,219
might be us and what are we left with

3062
02:08:43,700 --> 02:08:41,210
with that almost everything what is the

3063
02:08:48,320 --> 02:08:43,710
what is the precipitating event

3064
02:08:50,510 --> 02:08:48,330
what causes UFO reports well maybe we

3065
02:08:52,220 --> 02:08:50,520
see UFOs because we're conditioned to

3066
02:08:54,650 --> 02:08:52,230
view things in that way and that goes

3067
02:08:57,500 --> 02:08:54,660
back to a lot of possibilities that

3068
02:09:01,780 --> 02:08:57,510
right now we're living in that culture

3069
02:09:04,939 --> 02:09:01,790
therefore the phenomenon is a UFO and

3070
02:09:06,650 --> 02:09:04,949
maybe if we're out in space and we're

3071
02:09:09,439 --> 02:09:06,660
exploring other star systems and we have

3072
02:09:11,330 --> 02:09:09,449
warp drive or whatever we use to get

3073
02:09:14,689 --> 02:09:11,340
there there'll be some other kind of

3074
02:09:17,240 --> 02:09:14,699
phenomenon that will be an imperative to

3075
02:09:19,010 --> 02:09:17,250
tell us what's going on in our future

3076
02:09:23,750 --> 02:09:19,020
where we need to go where we need to

3077
02:09:28,070 --> 02:09:23,760
take ourselves yeah I don't know it's a

3078
02:09:30,140 --> 02:09:28,080
I think if we become somehow unstuck

3079
02:09:31,790 --> 02:09:30,150
from time in some way or be able to do

3080
02:09:34,189 --> 02:09:31,800
that maybe maybe that's part of the

3081
02:09:41,240 --> 02:09:34,199
answer to some people can do that remote

3082
02:09:42,950 --> 02:09:41,250
viewers can do it to an extent well

3083
02:09:44,240 --> 02:09:42,960
maybe they just tapping into things in a

3084
02:09:46,970 --> 02:09:44,250
different way the thing I worry about

3085
02:09:50,090 --> 02:09:46,980
remote viewing is always the accuracy

3086
02:09:54,280 --> 02:09:50,100
level or maybe they're creating the

3087
02:09:56,930 --> 02:09:54,290
reality that they see yeah that's called

3088
02:10:00,050 --> 02:09:56,940
analytical overlay and they they're they

3089
02:10:02,209 --> 02:10:00,060
I think they're aware of that and you

3090
02:10:03,800 --> 02:10:02,219
know it's not perfect it's it's far from

3091
02:10:05,420 --> 02:10:03,810
perfect but there are just some people

3092
02:10:07,939 --> 02:10:05,430
that are better at it than others and

3093
02:10:11,090 --> 02:10:07,949
there might be threads that can be

3094
02:10:13,610 --> 02:10:11,100
pulled in from that - not necessarily

3095
02:10:18,410 --> 02:10:13,620
believing somewhat some remote reviewer

3096
02:10:21,800 --> 02:10:18,420
says specifically or what's the word in

3097
02:10:24,800 --> 02:10:21,810
a direct way but maybe metaphorically or

3098
02:10:29,030 --> 02:10:24,810
obliquely as Chris said we've got more

3099
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to come with Greg gene and Chris you're

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well there's one name I trust the tax

3187
02:14:02,160 --> 02:13:59,740
defense group they're the most trusted

3188
02:14:03,720 --> 02:14:02,170
name in tax so if you owe more than ten

3189
02:14:05,880 --> 02:14:03,730
thousand dollars to the IRS

3190
02:14:08,730 --> 02:14:05,890
you really need to call my friends at

3191
02:14:11,010 --> 02:14:08,740
the tax defense group ignoring the IRS

3192
02:14:12,900 --> 02:14:11,020
is not the solution they can garnish

3193
02:14:15,420 --> 02:14:12,910
your paycheck levy your bank accounts

3194
02:14:17,550 --> 02:14:15,430
seize your home or business but the tax

3195
02:14:19,710 --> 02:14:17,560
defense group could put a stop to all of

3196
02:14:22,140 --> 02:14:19,720
that and tailor a program that would

3197
02:14:24,120 --> 02:14:22,150
reduce your tax debt to pennies on the

3198
02:14:26,400 --> 02:14:24,130
dollar you gotta love that

3199
02:14:28,530 --> 02:14:26,410
so don't just take my word for it call

3200
02:14:31,350 --> 02:14:28,540
them find out for yourself they offer a

3201
02:14:33,450 --> 02:14:31,360
100% satisfaction guarantee

3202
02:14:36,030 --> 02:14:33,460
and they're open 24 hours a day because

3203
02:14:37,890 --> 02:14:36,040
they know that tax debt doesn't sleep

3204
02:14:39,930 --> 02:14:37,900
either call now for your free and

3205
02:14:42,480 --> 02:14:39,940
confidential tax analysis from the most

3206
02:14:44,730 --> 02:14:42,490
trusted name in tax call 800 three six

3207
02:14:53,210 --> 02:14:44,740
one sixty nine oh seven eight hundred

3208
02:14:59,520 --> 02:14:56,070
today this is Marie D Jones the author

3209
02:15:02,250 --> 02:14:59,530
of this book is from the future and you

3210
02:15:13,590 --> 02:15:02,260
are listening to the podcast the gold

3211
02:15:16,020 --> 02:15:13,600
standard of paranormal radio we're back

3212
02:15:18,210 --> 02:15:16,030
with two more segments trying to sit

3213
02:15:20,160 --> 02:15:18,220
here and ponder the state of the

3214
02:15:23,250 --> 02:15:20,170
universe our paranormal universe what's

3215
02:15:25,260 --> 02:15:23,260
going on there and by doing that we have

3216
02:15:28,080 --> 02:15:25,270
to take all the files collected by the

3217
02:15:30,270 --> 02:15:28,090
national UFO Reporting Center and throw

3218
02:15:32,820 --> 02:15:30,280
them in the garbage can or erase them

3219
02:15:36,960 --> 02:15:32,830
take the database from MUFON that

3220
02:15:40,080 --> 02:15:36,970
they've accumulated since 1969 when they

3221
02:15:43,080 --> 02:15:40,090
were a splinter group from a pro and

3222
02:15:45,660 --> 02:15:43,090
spun off has the Midwest UFO network

3223
02:15:49,260 --> 02:15:45,670
before they became mutual UFO network

3224
02:15:52,310 --> 02:15:49,270
several years later our listeners know

3225
02:15:56,460 --> 02:15:52,320
that that MUFON originally started as

3226
02:16:00,690 --> 02:15:56,470
people who had some problem with a pro

3227
02:16:04,230 --> 02:16:00,700
and decided to roll their own and they

3228
02:16:07,560 --> 02:16:04,240
kept going and a pro died at maybe 1518

3229
02:16:09,150 --> 02:16:07,570
years later not that done anything it

3230
02:16:11,970 --> 02:16:09,160
hasn't brought us anything it hasn't

3231
02:16:13,380 --> 02:16:11,980
brought us any closer to anything I was

3232
02:16:15,720 --> 02:16:13,390
not suggesting that we throw away

3233
02:16:17,670 --> 02:16:15,730
databases but that I don't think that

3234
02:16:19,830 --> 02:16:17,680
should happen I just said that Valais

3235
02:16:21,740 --> 02:16:19,840
thought that it was the differences

3236
02:16:24,690 --> 02:16:21,750
between the data collection

3237
02:16:27,390 --> 02:16:24,700
methodologies were irreconcilable as a

3238
02:16:30,000 --> 02:16:27,400
large database I think they can still be

3239
02:16:32,669 --> 02:16:30,010
used for something I just don't you know

3240
02:16:36,060 --> 02:16:32,679
I'm kind of scared to that there's no

3241
02:16:38,490 --> 02:16:36,070
way to integrate all databases all over

3242
02:16:40,799 --> 02:16:38,500
the world from different places well

3243
02:16:42,089 --> 02:16:40,809
yeah not to erase them not to get rid of

3244
02:16:43,799 --> 02:16:42,099
them anything like that there might

3245
02:16:47,220 --> 02:16:43,809
still be thing I'm sure there's still

3246
02:16:51,089 --> 02:16:47,230
clues hidden those databases but as far

3247
02:16:52,799 --> 02:16:51,099
as an answer to the UFOs enigma you know

3248
02:16:55,110 --> 02:16:52,809
I don't know if the answer quote-unquote

3249
02:16:57,480 --> 02:16:55,120
is in there and the fact the other thing

3250
02:16:59,549 --> 02:16:57,490
I think I said in my essay is you know

3251
02:17:01,020 --> 02:16:59,559
if we stopped looking for an answer the

3252
02:17:02,880 --> 02:17:01,030
answer that

3253
02:17:04,290 --> 02:17:02,890
I open things up to if you start

3254
02:17:06,840 --> 02:17:04,300
thinking we're gonna solve this thing

3255
02:17:09,510 --> 02:17:06,850
and it's going to be this thing the

3256
02:17:11,640 --> 02:17:09,520
aliens or you know or an

3257
02:17:14,010 --> 02:17:11,650
interdimensional right shoving it down

3258
02:17:15,780 --> 02:17:14,020
one of these pipes is it's not a good

3259
02:17:17,820 --> 02:17:15,790
idea because the thing doesn't want to

3260
02:17:20,370 --> 02:17:17,830
be shoved in a pipe or into a into a

3261
02:17:23,220 --> 02:17:20,380
category that's that's my other t-shirt

3262
02:17:27,470 --> 02:17:23,230
that I want to wear at conferences mimic

3263
02:17:37,050 --> 02:17:30,450
if you have a lot a lot of people trying

3264
02:17:38,760 --> 02:17:37,060
to blend in with a wallpaper and exactly

3265
02:17:40,500 --> 02:17:38,770
it's the less for result you know

3266
02:17:42,120 --> 02:17:40,510
anytime that you're you're you become a

3267
02:17:44,340 --> 02:17:42,130
rabid because you think you figured

3268
02:17:46,380 --> 02:17:44,350
something out the phenomenons is gonna

3269
02:17:48,420 --> 02:17:46,390
throw you just enough information to let

3270
02:17:51,050 --> 02:17:48,430
you you know open your mouth go public

3271
02:17:54,120 --> 02:17:51,060
and put your foot in your mouth because

3272
02:17:57,330 --> 02:17:54,130
invariably the phenomenon is going to

3273
02:17:59,250 --> 02:17:57,340
then give you data diametrically opposed

3274
02:18:00,900 --> 02:17:59,260
any conclusions that you come up with

3275
02:18:03,150 --> 02:18:00,910
and it's going to give you the exact

3276
02:18:05,130 --> 02:18:03,160
opposite data believe me I've been there

3277
02:18:06,960 --> 02:18:05,140
and I've experienced this and I've even

3278
02:18:10,650 --> 02:18:06,970
predicted that I would experience this

3279
02:18:13,230 --> 02:18:10,660
and it's just it's it's you just

3280
02:18:15,480 --> 02:18:13,240
irreconcilable you just the more you

3281
02:18:17,940 --> 02:18:15,490
focus on it the more it's like mercury

3282
02:18:20,280 --> 02:18:17,950
and it's it scoots away it's almost like

3283
02:18:22,650 --> 02:18:20,290
you have to you'll kind of have your hot

3284
02:18:24,930 --> 02:18:22,660
your eyes have crossed and sort of be

3285
02:18:27,000 --> 02:18:24,940
looking sort of you know at the horizon

3286
02:18:29,700 --> 02:18:27,010
or look out of your peripheral vision to

3287
02:18:33,420 --> 02:18:29,710
really get a direct view of it which is

3288
02:18:35,370 --> 02:18:33,430
really frustrating yeah exactly you have

3289
02:18:37,380 --> 02:18:35,380
to walk this weird thing where you are

3290
02:18:39,210 --> 02:18:37,390
interested but you don't you know you

3291
02:18:41,160 --> 02:18:39,220
don't buy it in anything you know that's

3292
02:18:42,990 --> 02:18:41,170
my theme what I said earlier could

3293
02:18:45,210 --> 02:18:43,000
complete interest in total agnosticism

3294
02:18:46,890 --> 02:18:45,220
and that's a tough one that's that's

3295
02:18:49,290 --> 02:18:46,900
that that's a weird tightrope to walk

3296
02:18:51,780 --> 02:18:49,300
yet is impossible for most people I

3297
02:18:54,090 --> 02:18:51,790
think it I don't know about it wants to

3298
02:18:57,300 --> 02:18:54,100
do that but I think it's human

3299
02:18:59,340 --> 02:18:57,310
psychology is is made to become obsessed

3300
02:19:01,710 --> 02:18:59,350
with things it come to the territory

3301
02:19:06,240 --> 02:19:01,720
it's it's almost a you know it's almost

3302
02:19:09,060 --> 02:19:06,250
a predictable obstacle for any sort of

3303
02:19:11,820 --> 02:19:09,070
clarity in terms of trying to analyze

3304
02:19:14,010 --> 02:19:11,830
all this information try to make sense

3305
02:19:16,440 --> 02:19:14,020
of it it's it's setup

3306
02:19:20,220 --> 02:19:16,450
in a very tricks Trish kaleidoscopic

3307
02:19:22,590 --> 02:19:20,230
fashion where the center never really

3308
02:19:25,170 --> 02:19:22,600
holds it's it's like trying to pin down

3309
02:19:26,940 --> 02:19:25,180
mercury it's very very tricks Trish I

3310
02:19:29,250 --> 02:19:26,950
really got to write a book on the

3311
02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:29,260
trickster in UFOs I don't think anybody

3312
02:19:33,480 --> 02:19:31,210
has really done that yet that might be

3313
02:19:36,270 --> 02:19:33,490
my next project after my follow-up to

3314
02:19:38,160 --> 02:19:36,280
have stock in the herd great I'd love to

3315
02:19:40,320 --> 02:19:38,170
see that I probably should probably

3316
02:19:41,940 --> 02:19:40,330
interview George Hansen well I

3317
02:19:44,400 --> 02:19:41,950
definitely wouldn't in fact I'd love to

3318
02:19:46,170 --> 02:19:44,410
co-write it with him write him and see

3319
02:19:48,540 --> 02:19:46,180
what see what's up with him I've never

3320
02:19:50,070 --> 02:19:48,550
talked to him George Hill he's somebody

3321
02:19:50,910 --> 02:19:50,080
I always wanted to talk to it

3322
02:19:53,190 --> 02:19:50,920
everybody's like he's so approachable

3323
02:19:54,600 --> 02:19:53,200
you know just just write to him so yeah

3324
02:19:56,761 --> 02:19:54,610
yeah he's great I'll give you his

3325
02:19:58,051 --> 02:19:56,771
contact information he's we've had him

3326
02:20:00,211 --> 02:19:58,061
on the show here I met him in New Jersey

3327
02:20:02,190 --> 02:20:00,221
at one of the Fringe New Jersey

3328
02:20:04,711 --> 02:20:02,200
conferences and I spoke at and we had a

3329
02:20:07,140 --> 02:20:04,721
great time he's very very open-minded a

3330
02:20:09,030 --> 02:20:07,150
lot of fun he's just very light you know

3331
02:20:10,801 --> 02:20:09,040
just there's always that twinkle in his

3332
02:20:14,160 --> 02:20:10,811
eye you know which I really appreciate

3333
02:20:16,350 --> 02:20:14,170
mm-hmm well there you go yeah I enjoyed

3334
02:20:18,570 --> 02:20:16,360
what he had to say also a couple of

3335
02:20:20,370 --> 02:20:18,580
things there troubled me but look you

3336
02:20:22,820 --> 02:20:20,380
bring somebody on there's always gonna

3337
02:20:26,100 --> 02:20:22,830
be something that you can complain about

3338
02:20:27,660 --> 02:20:26,110
what troubled you I don't know I think

3339
02:20:30,360 --> 02:20:27,670
his interpretation of a certain

3340
02:20:34,320 --> 02:20:30,370
abduction case where a certain person

3341
02:20:37,381 --> 02:20:34,330
was stalking a certain UFO abduction

3342
02:20:38,970 --> 02:20:37,391
researcher and oh I fish and he took and

3343
02:20:41,671 --> 02:20:38,980
we all don't want to get back into that

3344
02:20:43,320 --> 02:20:41,681
again does that open so good though no

3345
02:20:45,810 --> 02:20:43,330
we don't want to go into that because

3346
02:20:50,551 --> 02:20:45,820
the last time Chris said something about

3347
02:20:52,680 --> 02:20:50,561
it and they blame me for it yeah I'm

3348
02:20:54,930 --> 02:20:52,690
keeping my mouth shut on this one no no

3349
02:20:55,890 --> 02:20:54,940
I'm not - as far as I want to go well

3350
02:20:58,350 --> 02:20:55,900
they have another weird thing about

3351
02:21:01,530 --> 02:20:58,360
ufology how what do you back off from

3352
02:21:04,171 --> 02:21:01,540
and it's hard to tell sometimes yeah

3353
02:21:08,280 --> 02:21:04,181
well I just stay out of the abduction

3354
02:21:10,520 --> 02:21:08,290
thing as much as I can you know I recuse

3355
02:21:14,040 --> 02:21:10,530
myself because I may have been abducted

3356
02:21:17,671 --> 02:21:14,050
so how can I possibly comment on it from

3357
02:21:19,680 --> 02:21:17,681
up from a place of objectivity it's even

3358
02:21:22,980 --> 02:21:19,690
harder for you but you know that goes

3359
02:21:25,110 --> 02:21:22,990
back to that you know how how how

3360
02:21:26,011 --> 02:21:25,120
agnostic can you remain the closer you

3361
02:21:29,911 --> 02:21:26,021
get to the

3362
02:21:32,310 --> 02:21:29,921
closer you get to it that agnosticism

3363
02:21:34,650 --> 02:21:32,320
starts melting away and that's when you

3364
02:21:36,480 --> 02:21:34,660
have to beware like I said when I start

3365
02:21:41,940 --> 02:21:36,490
believing my own BS I start getting

3366
02:21:45,390 --> 02:21:41,950
scared Hey yeah just get Sigrid to smack

3367
02:21:47,850 --> 02:21:45,400
you upside the head yeah sure yeah she

3368
02:21:49,291 --> 02:21:47,860
has more than once about certain things

3369
02:21:50,730 --> 02:21:49,301
by just saying I'm not going to that

3370
02:21:55,711 --> 02:21:50,740
dumb convention what do I need to hear

3371
02:21:57,211 --> 02:21:55,721
all that for and she's right are you

3372
02:21:59,551 --> 02:21:57,221
going by yourself honey

3373
02:22:01,711 --> 02:21:59,561
yeah exactly and she's totally fine with

3374
02:22:04,291 --> 02:22:01,721
it you know so that's great you know I I

3375
02:22:07,980 --> 02:22:04,301
chose I I choked both of us chose well

3376
02:22:11,631 --> 02:22:07,990
so that's good yeah I love it

3377
02:22:14,161 --> 02:22:11,641
well I've been contacted by a guy that

3378
02:22:17,070 --> 02:22:14,171
claims that he's the source of the

3379
02:22:19,051 --> 02:22:17,080
letter that was sent to the CIA which

3380
02:22:20,850 --> 02:22:19,061
are sent me he actually sent it to the

3381
02:22:23,310 --> 02:22:20,860
National Forest Service of the Tonto

3382
02:22:25,081 --> 02:22:23,320
National Forest and it ended up good for

3383
02:22:27,211 --> 02:22:25,091
him you know getting forwarded on to the

3384
02:22:30,150 --> 02:22:27,221
CIA which is part of the recent data

3385
02:22:32,220 --> 02:22:30,160
dump that John Greenwald posted on the

3386
02:22:33,661 --> 02:22:32,230
black ball and this guy claimed that he

3387
02:22:36,091 --> 02:22:33,671
found the entrance to an underground

3388
02:22:39,421 --> 02:22:36,101
alien base just about an hour and a half

3389
02:22:42,871 --> 02:22:39,431
from me and somehow it's kind of weird

3390
02:22:46,051 --> 02:22:42,881
how he contacted me I still am not quite

3391
02:22:50,070 --> 02:22:46,061
sure how he knew to contact me but he's

3392
02:22:51,690 --> 02:22:50,080
supposedly sending me a DVD with some

3393
02:22:54,390 --> 02:22:51,700
photographs and some footage and stuff

3394
02:22:57,421 --> 02:22:54,400
on it that he took when he he sent the

3395
02:22:58,980 --> 02:22:57,431
letter to the Forest Service they kind

3396
02:23:01,591 --> 02:22:58,990
of ignored him they did forwarded on to

3397
02:23:04,770 --> 02:23:01,601
Washington but since he didn't hear back

3398
02:23:06,360 --> 02:23:04,780
from him he contacted the some law

3399
02:23:08,341 --> 02:23:06,370
enforcement there I'm not sure if it was

3400
02:23:11,070 --> 02:23:08,351
the Rangers or local law enforcement and

3401
02:23:12,720 --> 02:23:11,080
because he was persistent they they said

3402
02:23:14,421 --> 02:23:12,730
if you don't stop sir we're going to be

3403
02:23:16,650 --> 02:23:14,431
taking you to the mental hospital

3404
02:23:18,751 --> 02:23:16,660
because he was talking about alien

3405
02:23:22,610 --> 02:23:18,761
twenty-foot aliens with with bear snouts

3406
02:23:26,131 --> 02:23:22,620
for faces and pretty bizarre stuff I'm

3407
02:23:30,110 --> 02:23:26,141
wondering if there's any like mushrooms

3408
02:23:32,400 --> 02:23:30,120
around the Lake Roosevelt area or the

3409
02:23:34,201 --> 02:23:32,410
Salt River because some of the

3410
02:23:37,680 --> 02:23:34,211
descriptions that he has are pretty

3411
02:23:39,149 --> 02:23:37,690
pretty wild so I figured I just make a

3412
02:23:42,679 --> 02:23:39,159
little public announcement there

3413
02:23:48,749 --> 02:23:42,689
to be we're going to be led to the

3414
02:23:51,029 --> 02:23:48,759
latest underground base location here

3415
02:23:51,869 --> 02:23:51,039
sometime this summer when when it cools

3416
02:23:53,639 --> 02:23:51,879
down a little bit

3417
02:23:56,239 --> 02:23:53,649
watch out if you're led there maybe

3418
02:23:58,829 --> 02:23:56,249
you'll go there and you'll not come back

3419
02:24:00,300 --> 02:23:58,839
well you know the in the Tonto National

3420
02:24:01,949 --> 02:24:00,310
Forest I've done a little research

3421
02:24:04,199 --> 02:24:01,959
there's been quite a number of weird

3422
02:24:06,899 --> 02:24:04,209
disappearances of people that have you

3423
02:24:08,550 --> 02:24:06,909
know just just ended up disappearing

3424
02:24:10,319 --> 02:24:08,560
leaving all their valuables in their car

3425
02:24:13,439 --> 02:24:10,329
in the car open that sort of thing and

3426
02:24:14,789 --> 02:24:13,449
and no apparent sign of them from there

3427
02:24:18,300 --> 02:24:14,799
on and there's been quite a number of

3428
02:24:21,119 --> 02:24:18,310
cases I have a email into David politey

3429
02:24:23,819 --> 02:24:21,129
so about this to see if he has any

3430
02:24:26,639 --> 02:24:23,829
information on some of these Tonto

3431
02:24:29,249 --> 02:24:26,649
National Forest disappearances more to

3432
02:24:38,780 --> 02:24:29,259
come with Jean Christian Gregg you're in

3433
02:24:47,371 --> 02:24:42,720
thank you for listening to GCN

3434
02:24:49,591 --> 02:24:47,381
be sure to visit GCN live.com today we

3435
02:24:52,890 --> 02:24:49,601
also have swag you know we have all

3436
02:24:53,730 --> 02:24:52,900
these exclusive power cast things that

3437
02:24:55,680 --> 02:24:53,740
you can buy

3438
02:24:58,530 --> 02:24:55,690
we've got like I guess 60 or so

3439
02:25:02,070 --> 02:24:58,540
different items and entails t-shirts

3440
02:25:05,400 --> 02:25:02,080
sleeves for notebook computers iPad

3441
02:25:07,740 --> 02:25:05,410
cases mouse pads the para cast jumbo

3442
02:25:09,541 --> 02:25:07,750
tote bag all sorts of t-shirts and

3443
02:25:12,780 --> 02:25:09,551
jackets and stuff like that for men and

3444
02:25:15,331 --> 02:25:12,790
women we have a para cast aluminum water

3445
02:25:18,180 --> 02:25:15,341
bottle all the stuff you go to store dot

3446
02:25:21,451 --> 02:25:18,190
to the power cast comm store the power

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vans paranormal and you're listening to

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the para cast the gold-standard of

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paranormal radio so we opened up a new

3546
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can of worms here people who disappear

3547
02:29:21,059 --> 02:29:18,520
and you mentioned Chris the Tonto

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02:29:24,360 --> 02:29:21,069
National Forest so let's just refresh

3549
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our listeners from the break there they

3550
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leave their possessions in the car right

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their cars are found and it's like the

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person should be standing there sitting

3553
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in the car they're not well you know all

3554
02:29:35,760 --> 02:29:34,210
the personal possessions are there

3555
02:29:37,110 --> 02:29:35,770
there's been a couple cases where

3556
02:29:39,920 --> 02:29:37,120
stuff's been spread around I think

3557
02:29:43,019 --> 02:29:39,930
outside the car they did just strange

3558
02:29:45,240 --> 02:29:43,029
unsolved disappearances obviously David

3559
02:29:48,960 --> 02:29:45,250
Pilates is our kind of resident expert

3560
02:29:51,420 --> 02:29:48,970
on all things missing and disappeared in

3561
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national forests and parks so I want to

3562
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dovetail some research with him and and

3563
02:29:58,710 --> 02:29:56,109
find out you know if he has any

3564
02:30:00,450 --> 02:29:58,720
additional information but but this guy

3565
02:30:02,160 --> 02:30:00,460
you know he makes he's making all the

3566
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right noises goes I know I sound crazy

3567
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and the cops you know even threaten to

3568
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lock me up if I if I didn't stop bugging

3569
02:30:11,010 --> 02:30:09,310
them about it but there is something

3570
02:30:13,260 --> 02:30:11,020
really going on there and I have some

3571
02:30:15,840 --> 02:30:13,270
photographic evidence to prove it so I'm

3572
02:30:18,420 --> 02:30:15,850
waiting to to see this and we'll just

3573
02:30:20,670 --> 02:30:18,430
have to take it one step at a time it's

3574
02:30:22,620 --> 02:30:20,680
not that far from the house here okay so

3575
02:30:25,349 --> 02:30:22,630
let me ask you a little bit more about

3576
02:30:27,179 --> 02:30:25,359
this Chris alright so when you say lead

3577
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the possessions and the cars because

3578
02:30:30,719 --> 02:30:29,020
they were moving or just what they would

3579
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normally keep in a car just normally

3580
02:30:34,950 --> 02:30:32,770
what they would have their purses or ID

3581
02:30:37,170 --> 02:30:34,960
that sort of thing I think in one case

3582
02:30:39,179 --> 02:30:37,180
it was groceries if I remember correctly

3583
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so there's there's been a number of

3584
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these over the years in the 70s and 80s

3585
02:30:46,710 --> 02:30:44,979
and into the I think early 90s there's

3586
02:30:49,050 --> 02:30:46,720
been quite a number of these so just

3587
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strange disappearances not only people

3588
02:30:53,429 --> 02:30:51,489
disappearing leaving cars behind but but

3589
02:30:54,960 --> 02:30:53,439
people on hikes on the Arizona Trail for

3590
02:30:57,450 --> 02:30:54,970
instance which goes right through that

3591
02:31:00,360 --> 02:30:57,460
area so we'll just have to just keep

3592
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digging and once it cools down this

3593
02:31:05,910 --> 02:31:03,220
gentleman is offered to Lita expert

3594
02:31:08,400 --> 02:31:05,920
ish in there so we'll have our cameras

3595
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ready to go and possibly even have some

3596
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analog equipment there without the

3597
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digital you know digital possible

3598
02:31:16,080 --> 02:31:14,080
problems with the digital equipment you

3599
02:31:18,929 --> 02:31:16,090
might hear about things like this

3600
02:31:21,389 --> 02:31:18,939
I wonder sometimes if people have a

3601
02:31:23,849 --> 02:31:21,399
reason to disappear and they create this

3602
02:31:25,679 --> 02:31:23,859
circumstance you know maybe they're

3603
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being chased by law enforcement by

3604
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creditors or something and they have a

3605
02:31:32,760 --> 02:31:30,609
reason to go and there's somebody else

3606
02:31:34,500 --> 02:31:32,770
who picks them up in the car and takes

3607
02:31:36,750 --> 02:31:34,510
them away this stage the royal

3608
02:31:38,790 --> 02:31:36,760
disappearance your second that could

3609
02:31:39,870 --> 02:31:38,800
probably account for some but but it's

3610
02:31:41,790 --> 02:31:39,880
interesting that it should be all

3611
02:31:43,800 --> 02:31:41,800
centered in in a particular area like

3612
02:31:46,320 --> 02:31:43,810
this it would appears to me to be a

3613
02:31:48,809 --> 02:31:46,330
rather unusual concentration of cases oh

3614
02:31:51,660 --> 02:31:48,819
it sure does sound like something really

3615
02:31:54,179 --> 02:31:51,670
strange though even if it isn't just the

3616
02:31:56,400 --> 02:31:54,189
symptoms of it now what did the

3617
02:31:59,309 --> 02:31:56,410
authorities say has anyone really looked

3618
02:32:01,979 --> 02:31:59,319
into another of course than pilates well

3619
02:32:04,769 --> 02:32:01,989
again he didn't get any real response

3620
02:32:06,990 --> 02:32:04,779
from the Forest Service they just

3621
02:32:09,150 --> 02:32:07,000
forwarded his information on to to

3622
02:32:11,070 --> 02:32:09,160
Washington and it ended up being part of

3623
02:32:13,740 --> 02:32:11,080
this data dump by the CIA a couple

3624
02:32:15,929 --> 02:32:13,750
months ago all right it was his original

3625
02:32:17,880 --> 02:32:15,939
letter that was sent to the Forest

3626
02:32:20,940 --> 02:32:17,890
Service and it was just forwarded on to

3627
02:32:23,969 --> 02:32:20,950
to Washington ended up in the agency so

3628
02:32:26,160 --> 02:32:23,979
I'm not sure why that determination was

3629
02:32:28,440 --> 02:32:26,170
made that the letter should go to them

3630
02:32:30,960 --> 02:32:28,450
but it was all part of John Greenwald

3631
02:32:33,269 --> 02:32:30,970
data dump and I was I was alerted the

3632
02:32:35,219 --> 02:32:33,279
next day by someone that said hey this

3633
02:32:37,139 --> 02:32:35,229
is our down cunny in your neck of the

3634
02:32:38,729 --> 02:32:37,149
woods you know I remember going there

3635
02:32:40,170 --> 02:32:38,739
and sort of looking it up and thinking

3636
02:32:41,790 --> 02:32:40,180
wow this is pretty interesting story I

3637
02:32:43,320 --> 02:32:41,800
might want to go there and then out of

3638
02:32:45,360 --> 02:32:43,330
the blue about three or four weeks later

3639
02:32:47,250 --> 02:32:45,370
this guy calls me up and says I'm the

3640
02:32:51,330 --> 02:32:47,260
guy that sent the letter in it's almost

3641
02:32:52,559 --> 02:32:51,340
like I'm a little suspicious of the you

3642
02:32:55,200 --> 02:32:52,569
know I said well how did you find out

3643
02:32:57,269 --> 02:32:55,210
about me and he goes well oh I saw you

3644
02:32:59,400 --> 02:32:57,279
on the internet and you made a response

3645
02:33:01,050 --> 02:32:59,410
and showed that you are interested in

3646
02:33:02,729 --> 02:33:01,060
aliens so I figured you were you know

3647
02:33:04,650 --> 02:33:02,739
you were where you are in Arizona you're

3648
02:33:07,620 --> 02:33:04,660
pretty near so I figured I'd contact you

3649
02:33:09,780 --> 02:33:07,630
and that that doesn't quite wash but

3650
02:33:12,929 --> 02:33:09,790
Casey's listening I don't want to scare

3651
02:33:15,990 --> 02:33:12,939
them away but you know it seems a little

3652
02:33:17,570 --> 02:33:16,000
strange so I'm not going into this with

3653
02:33:19,280 --> 02:33:17,580
all sorts of expert

3654
02:33:20,870 --> 02:33:19,290
by any means and I am going to bring

3655
02:33:23,240 --> 02:33:20,880
lots of witnesses in case something does

3656
02:33:25,610 --> 02:33:23,250
does show up but we're going to be ready

3657
02:33:28,010 --> 02:33:25,620
to go gonna have some drones and I'll

3658
02:33:29,450 --> 02:33:28,020
you know I'm jeez yeah sure if you want

3659
02:33:31,010 --> 02:33:29,460
we're probably going to go up there in

3660
02:33:33,170 --> 02:33:31,020
September's probably when it's cool

3661
02:33:35,179 --> 02:33:33,180
enough because it's down about four

3662
02:33:37,820 --> 02:33:35,189
thousand feet and it's probably down

3663
02:33:39,349 --> 02:33:37,830
about three thousand feet so it's going

3664
02:33:41,059 --> 02:33:39,359
to be hot down there from here on out

3665
02:33:43,250 --> 02:33:41,069
we're looking for the rest of the

3666
02:33:46,370 --> 02:33:43,260
weekend hundred degree weather we've

3667
02:33:48,710 --> 02:33:46,380
we've dodged that triple digit monster

3668
02:33:50,990 --> 02:33:48,720
here this this year we've been unusually

3669
02:33:52,400 --> 02:33:51,000
cool and now we're going into the

3670
02:33:53,929 --> 02:33:52,410
hundreds and down there it's going to be

3671
02:33:56,090 --> 02:33:53,939
probably you know eight to ten degrees

3672
02:33:58,130 --> 02:33:56,100
hotter right now looking at the weather

3673
02:34:01,309 --> 02:33:58,140
and we're doing this on Thursday June

3674
02:34:03,920 --> 02:34:01,319
1st the weather in the Phoenix area is

3675
02:34:04,849 --> 02:34:03,930
going to be low hundreds for the next

3676
02:34:08,179 --> 02:34:04,859
five days

3677
02:34:10,490 --> 02:34:08,189
same up here all right well let's see

3678
02:34:12,380 --> 02:34:10,500
what happens maybe here we can do some

3679
02:34:15,230 --> 02:34:12,390
kind of live thing if you have a decent

3680
02:34:16,400 --> 02:34:15,240
cellphone connection maybe we can set up

3681
02:34:19,300 --> 02:34:16,410
Skype or something

3682
02:34:22,670 --> 02:34:19,310
so when Aliki captures you Chris and

3683
02:34:24,590 --> 02:34:22,680
takes you away we will hear it well

3684
02:34:27,950 --> 02:34:24,600
20-foot aliens that have bare faces

3685
02:34:33,080 --> 02:34:27,960
that's I can't wait to get some footage

3686
02:34:37,400 --> 02:34:33,090
of that I bet I bet in the daytime you

3687
02:34:39,170 --> 02:34:37,410
won't see anything although I can oh

3688
02:34:40,790 --> 02:34:39,180
yeah he knows exactly where to look he

3689
02:34:43,580 --> 02:34:40,800
says they've camouflaged the rock face

3690
02:34:45,650 --> 02:34:43,590
the opening they've poured cement and

3691
02:34:47,389 --> 02:34:45,660
then made it look like like rocks he

3692
02:34:49,639 --> 02:34:47,399
says but if you look carefully you can

3693
02:34:50,750 --> 02:34:49,649
tell that it's obviously fake and it's

3694
02:34:52,599 --> 02:34:50,760
in the middle of nowhere there's no

3695
02:34:56,300 --> 02:34:52,609
trails or roads or anything near there

3696
02:34:58,130 --> 02:34:56,310
okay yes I've seen how many people say

3697
02:35:00,110 --> 02:34:58,140
it so well camouflage you can't like

3698
02:35:01,550 --> 02:35:00,120
thicket I can't see anything but if

3699
02:35:03,349 --> 02:35:01,560
you're actually there that may be

3700
02:35:05,660 --> 02:35:03,359
different well and if you have a drone

3701
02:35:07,910 --> 02:35:05,670
you can fly right up to it yeah that too

3702
02:35:09,410 --> 02:35:07,920
exactly I've got two of them so you know

3703
02:35:11,900 --> 02:35:09,420
if one gets shot down we'll try the

3704
02:35:12,500 --> 02:35:11,910
other one okay cool they want us to do

3705
02:35:14,120 --> 02:35:12,510
as well

3706
02:35:17,179 --> 02:35:14,130
okay so what's gonna happen here is

3707
02:35:19,910 --> 02:35:17,189
Greg's gonna bring his drones and Chris

3708
02:35:21,500 --> 02:35:19,920
is gonna bring his crew and I don't know

3709
02:35:24,260 --> 02:35:21,510
if I'm gonna join you or not I don't

3710
02:35:27,440 --> 02:35:24,270
like running around and driving in

3711
02:35:29,389 --> 02:35:27,450
mountains and stuff I love it you know

3712
02:35:30,520 --> 02:35:29,399
god that's what I live for

3713
02:35:33,790 --> 02:35:30,530
yeah

3714
02:35:35,680 --> 02:35:33,800
but all right so Greg what else you up

3715
02:35:37,900 --> 02:35:35,690
to before we lose you here what do you

3716
02:35:40,961 --> 02:35:37,910
have on on the on the front burner here

3717
02:35:43,301 --> 02:35:40,971
I'm not really sure you know I'm trying

3718
02:35:46,240 --> 02:35:43,311
to help Robbie with the release of this

3719
02:35:48,370 --> 02:35:46,250
book and keeping that kind of up in

3720
02:35:51,040 --> 02:35:48,380
front of everybody's consciousness just

3721
02:35:52,511 --> 02:35:51,050
to get these ideas out and one thing I

3722
02:35:55,301 --> 02:35:52,521
didn't emphasize that about the book and

3723
02:35:57,700 --> 02:35:55,311
Robbie's gonna probably tell you most

3724
02:35:59,470 --> 02:35:57,710
people some of the essays in the book

3725
02:36:01,330 --> 02:35:59,480
are going to upset or piss you off and

3726
02:36:03,520 --> 02:36:01,340
others you're going to be yeah right on

3727
02:36:05,680 --> 02:36:03,530
and that is exactly what the what the

3728
02:36:09,280 --> 02:36:05,690
point of the book is and he said he said

3729
02:36:11,051 --> 02:36:09,290
on my interview he said at the end of

3730
02:36:14,740 --> 02:36:11,061
this at the end of the book I want

3731
02:36:18,610 --> 02:36:14,750
people to be confused good yeah I like

3732
02:36:20,740 --> 02:36:18,620
it which is great that that's exactly

3733
02:36:23,140 --> 02:36:20,750
because the subject is confusing and

3734
02:36:25,240 --> 02:36:23,150
frustrating so why not yet here we are

3735
02:36:27,490 --> 02:36:25,250
we're mimicking the oblique nosov the

3736
02:36:30,461 --> 02:36:27,500
subject so you know I'm involved with

3737
02:36:32,980 --> 02:36:30,471
that quite a bit I'm you know apart from

3738
02:36:35,921 --> 02:36:32,990
all this stuff I'm I'm working with a

3739
02:36:37,990 --> 02:36:35,931
company to test autonomous drone

3740
02:36:42,100 --> 02:36:38,000
software so that's that's been very

3741
02:36:43,841 --> 02:36:42,110
interesting recently and and so those

3742
02:36:45,810 --> 02:36:43,851
are basically the main and you know I'm

3743
02:36:49,301 --> 02:36:45,820
continuing to do my show and

3744
02:36:50,740 --> 02:36:49,311
sporadically not nearly as faithfully as

3745
02:36:52,600 --> 02:36:50,750
you guys are a lot of other people but

3746
02:36:55,001 --> 02:36:52,610
I'm continuing writing material so I

3747
02:36:58,501 --> 02:36:55,011
don't have any chip plans to fold it or

3748
02:37:00,190 --> 02:36:58,511
anything so we'll we'll have a lot of

3749
02:37:02,770 --> 02:37:00,200
different guests here in the future

3750
02:37:04,870 --> 02:37:02,780
actually a lot of them in the book in

3751
02:37:06,520 --> 02:37:04,880
UFOs reframing the debate I'm going to

3752
02:37:08,440 --> 02:37:06,530
have a series of roundtables I think

3753
02:37:10,810 --> 02:37:08,450
with different authors in the book know

3754
02:37:13,030 --> 02:37:10,820
nice cool that's what's going on with me

3755
02:37:16,810 --> 02:37:13,040
where can we find more of your stuff

3756
02:37:23,470 --> 02:37:16,820
Greg Bishop mainly at radio mysterioso

3757
02:37:26,230 --> 02:37:23,480
karma re ad IOM is ter iOS oh and you

3758
02:37:29,410 --> 02:37:26,240
can ask to be added to the Facebook

3759
02:37:32,680 --> 02:37:29,420
group for writing mysterio so those are

3760
02:37:34,421 --> 02:37:32,690
the main ways to get in touch it keep up

3761
02:37:36,190 --> 02:37:34,431
with what I'm doing I guess

3762
02:37:37,450 --> 02:37:36,200
personally I should have mentioned a

3763
02:37:40,421 --> 02:37:37,460
couple other things too I'm going to be

3764
02:37:42,190 --> 02:37:40,431
at Roswell at the Roswell 70th

3765
02:37:44,200 --> 02:37:42,200
anniversary and I'll also be at the East

3766
02:37:48,550 --> 02:37:44,210
Coast parent conference in Nova Scotia

3767
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Osia in august we've got ways to find us

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3786
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3787
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3789
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3791
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